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SORRY FOR LACK OF INFO - was a couple of weeks ago.

So I was playing live a week ago in alocal tournament. I was supposed to post earlier so I forget the positions, but it was very early in the blind levels.

I can't give an accurate recount of the hand and bets, but It'll be close enough.

Note - The previous hand I floated and bluffed the river when the ace came, because the other guy said " RA RA you always get lucky on me, so I showed him the J10 to say no I don't. Given this new opponent in the following hand saw, he may think I'm bluffing again/loose. So I assumed that's why he re raises me coming up here.

Hero A 10.

I raise pf, everyone folds and villain calls from BB or UTG (memory)

Flop is A 9 5 (don't remember suits)

He checks to me, I bet, he calls.

The turn is a 10

Villain checks, I bet, he re-raises me. (Now I'm thinking maybe he thinks I'm bluffing because he saw the previous hand I mentioned above), so I call.

River (forget) but it was dry. He's taken control of the pot and bets out into me again.. I thought for a while, then called.

He flips over pocket 9, with his set over my 2pair. losing half my starting stack which I had to rebuild.

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Now in this situation, how would I put him on a set of 9's in this circumstance? I took into account that he saw me show to shut the other guy up, and probably tried to throw me off a bluff of some sort. Usually you can tell when they float, but on the turn he took charge of the betting and started leading into me.

Sorry again for lack of information because It was a while ago and I've played heaps since.
 
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Seems to me like you are trying to play on a differant level to the general standard of live games. So instead, just play your hand, vs what you think he has, and don't worry so much about what players will think of you. He's a new player, only saw you bluff once, and in general, players will not get involved with a bluffy player without a hand. So if you think he does this or the general players in your games do this with worse hands, then get involved, if you think it's generally a pretty strong move (which i certainly do) then you are best to make a fold and move on to another hand where you have a little more control over. But in this particular spot where we improve to two pair, i don't really think we can get away from it very easily, so i don't think you played it particularly bad at all, but i think your thought process is a little flawed.

So instead of Thinking about how he reacts to seeing you bluff (if he was even paying attention) think about hand ranges, vs your hand, and make the fact your image is bluffy a very small factor instead of making it the only factor you think about. Like, range vs range should be one of the biggest factors you have to work with, then wider or tighter yours or his range with the information present. Like it's gonna be pretty rare to have a player come to your table, see that you bluffed the hand earlier and think it's a good idea to try and re-bluff you a few hands later... But what it will mean is that he will likely play postflop with a slightly wider range of hands and call you down a little more.
 
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When a villain tend to check-raise the turn,it is the usual sign of trap,and strong hand.Also the villain already knew about your aggression and is taking advantages on it.
 
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Not a fan of ever showing hands. You are giving free information and I don't think it is a good idea ever. Also you can't remember if it was the UTG or BB player which makes a huge difference UTG in the hand unless they are a total callstation is a concern regardless of how they open. Those set over set and set over big two pair are hard to see most times so I wouldn't beat yourself up about it.
 
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