Rough day for MTT's

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I probably had the worst day I have had in a long time on the MTT's on ignition yesterday. I entered in 10 low buy in gtds and had no sucess at all. It didnt matter what hole cards i was dealt, or the position i was in when trying to make a play. I could not get anything going at all, not to mention the play resembled that of a freeroll, some extremely crazy play and I unfortunately was on the recieving end of alot of it. If it wasnt a suckout it was running into the top of players ranges when trying to make moves. It was just an overall rough day, but i can proudly say i did not tilt and for the most part did not make any bad plays. I was also able to recoup all of my buyins that i lost at the cash tables to at least leave my bankroll break even.
 
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Hi Socialpro29 and welcome to Cardschat. I'm glad I found your tread, because yesterday was the same for me. I played 3 or 4 MTTs but I was so card dead I was pretty much blinding out. but if I did catch a calling hand, I got beat with what ever they played. I started thinking if I could remember a time when it was that bad. I could not come up with one. All you can do is try again the next day. It's great that you didn't tilt, which will bring on more loses. Well GL to you
 
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It still has continued into today as well, I have come to the conclusion that the lower buy in tourneys are pretty much played like freerolls to alot of recreational players so variance is much higher, if i keep getting it in good and make correct decisions I should be able to weather the storm, just can be very frustrating

Man i keep playing trying to grind through this run bad but it just continues to get me, trying to be positive, once again i got it in good to be beat on the river, how can it happen in every damn tourney i enter one right after another and i promise it is not bad play, i have been ahead and have known my players tendencies when making the plays and the beats just continue

And when i have made a play as a semi bluff knowing i am behind my opponents range but i am getting the right price i dont connect, it hurts, sorry for the rambling but just getting frustrated, i know i am a decent player and have improved my game 10 full but i hate variance
 
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Socialpro29 you have to take a break. I don't play it, and I disagree with "get it in good". Much of the time if a player catches even one pair, he is going to call you all the way to the river. So if he is calling, he has something, if it be a pair or better, or he is chasing a str8 or a flush. Realize this and don't do a lot of all ins. Instead be careful and make 3 bets, or even check some and let the other player do some of the betting, and when he does, he won't bet a lot because he wants to keep you in the hand. When you see he is doing that, you do some thinking and ask yourself if it's worth it. I understand that you may be forced all in, and if you have a big hand go for it. Other than that, don't move all in unless you know you have the best hand. Also, if you do go all in, you may be running off the money. Last of all, if you are playing a lot of games at the same time, you need to back off that, and play just enough so you can keep up with better. I play 4 sometimes and I really have to stay focused. Starting today, I think you need to leave all this behind you. There is nothing you can do about them. I also see that you maybe questioning yourself as a player or you maybe thinking things like you are unlucky and no matter what you do you will lose, or you may have some thought that the site is rigged. Bottom line. If you continue playing and thinking the way you are, then you expect more loses.
 
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taking a break is just whats needed-or set a daily limit no reason wasting all your money if lady luck aint around-without her your doomed the cards wont matter -variance is soul crushing at times,even more so when your on the downside of it-i take breaks alot from poker seems to refresh me at times,the old saying goes sometimes your the bug sometimes the windshield
 
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Papa I got them calling me even post flop with 79 off and 3 over cards on the flop when i have a vpip of 9 and the only hands I played the entire tourny are aa ak and qq. They still call my bets or raises. And when im running bad, they will hit that turn runner miracle 4%er haha.

That being said my cure for tilt mode is simple. Go outside take a walk and look at how lucky we are to be alive and breathing. Fixes me up every single time.
 
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Appreciate all of the advice, I did stop today and I went and did sone other stuff with the family, then came home and started rereading the book I really like, "winning poker tournaments one hand at a time" it is a very good read with hand examples through the entire book and the hero in the hand explaining his thought process and decision on each street based on all the variables we have to take into account when grinding it up.

I forgot to mention in previous post also @PapaC I am a firm believer that online poker is NOT rigged regardless of how bad i run, i do not see it being profitable ib the long term for a site to be cheating its clients. Any long standing online cardroom has more benefit from keeping it fair/legit rather then rig the game. The individuals that constantly claim that it is rigged are typically run of the mill trying to get rich quick and have no BRM so when they get a bad beat it destroys their entire roll. There are infinitely more hands dealt online which means it will be a little more common for very low equity type hands to seem like they always win but in reality in runs out mathmatically correct based on the amount of hands dealt at all tables on the site.
 
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Damn bro, I honestly needed to read this... Your rant says everything I've been feeling for a while, especially cause I have tiny BR and I'm grinding freerolls atm... I guess I just needed to know someone else felt the same way cause yes variance can be soul crushing...
Thanks to all the encouragement and advice from the other posters too!
 
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Yea a lot of people refuse to believe that they just simply need to study the game more to be successful at it. Once you go on a bad streak, go read and study aspects of your game that was being exploited or learn how to deal with the goof ball freeroll style players.
 
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This morning I got on here, and was replying in this tread, and all of a sudden my key board stopped working. I don't know why, but it just now started working again. So right now I'm not feeling good at all. But I'm glad you all are sharing things that are simular for us all. It looks like everyone here agrees that breaks are a have to, if you want to play your best game. If you are going to do that, be patient, fold more hands than you play, no matter what don't tilt, stay focused, think before you click, don't question yourself as a player, instead have confidence, set a goal or two that you can reach in a short time even if it's just a week or a month, and set a long term goal that you can reach by using the small ones, so when you reach a short term goal, set another one. If you do set some goals, you will work harder to get there. There are a lot more things you need to keep in mind while playing, so look around and find them. And all the while, post a truck load questions that you need answered. Start a new tread for every question. There is a lot of great advice here that has worked for me and it will work for you all too. Ok I'm done now. GL you all.
 
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You are welcome Socialpro29. I was going to tell you that I'm glad you don't have any thoughts about the poker sites being rigged. I just said that because many do and that is the worst thoughts a player can have, because it leads to many more negative thoughts. All of that kind of stuff can build up real quick, and drag you down, and they will send your money down the drain too

Even if this is Socialpro29"s tread, I just want to say thanks Jacobalyrus and paulsmall007 for adding your opinions here. Jacobalyrus no matter what you think or do, there are others who are, or have went through the same things, when it concerns poker or many other things in life

paulsmall007 thanks for your advice. And it's a fact that many will not take the time to learn how to be a good player. So I guess they will just keep playing and watching the ones that do take the time to learn, pass them by.
 
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I have always had sucess at STT SNG, I have a nice winrate playing them but on the one site I play on there is not alot of traffic so it is very rarely that a full table gets registered for the SNG except for at peak hours, I just started playing them on Ignition and think I will stick to playing them as I won 1 and took 3rd in the 2 i played tonight, I think my gosl is to provably play in 1-3 MTTs a week until I bink one them maybe i might add a few more with maybe 1 being at the low to medium buyin instead of the micro buyin. That will be my plan of attack for the time being and of course i will still be playing cash games, i find the opponents at the 5NL zone on ignition very soft and weak.

Abd thank you everyone that replied to this thread, it is great to get feedback from tge poker community, and to be able to vent when needed
 
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Abd thank you everyone that replied to this thread, it is great to get feedback from tge poker community, and to be able to vent when needed

in my opinion more or less adequate game MTT starts in about with buy ins of$ 11 regular speed but without a knockout, almost all the rest of the tournament field is so weak that the generator essentially decides who wins. My favorite tournament биг11. But starting to play MTT's on a regular basis are advised to have back at least 100 buy ins required limit.
 
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Well Socialpro29 I'm glad you are putting together a plan. That's good because you can see where you are going and the progress you are making. It really don't matter how many games you play as long as your BR can handle it. But even if your BR can handle it, don't play so much in a days time that you get tired and start making mistakes, and just throw away your money. I always ask myself if I really want to play. A lot of the time the answer is no. For me sometimes that answer comes after the game has started and I have to play it, and when that happens, I play shitty and I pretty much give my chips away. You know what I used to do? If there was a MTT I wanted to play but it was outside my BRM, I would make myself win enough to cover the buy in. If I did I played it, if not I did not play it. Also, if I cashed good in a MTT or won at the cash tables, I would treat myself to one MTT that I could not afford before the win. Back when I played 2nl or 5nl, I would play look at the pennies like they were dollars. That way I could ask myself if they were dollars would I fold, call, or raise. I know that seems stupid, but it really worked for me. Just one more thing. Have you looked back on your tread here to see what kind of progress you have made since you posted it? I think it's a lot, so take your time.

Oh I about forgot. Thanks Zacccpanec for your added advice here. There is never to much advice that can help someone with their game.
 
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maybe you should stop playing when you feel that tilted =)
I get it, you will catch a cooler here and there, or you are just card dead for 40 mins, if you fell angry/annoied, start thinking "well this time for sure", maybe go for a walk/strech, drink tea, watch porn...just chill for a bit.
You should play with cool head and not brute-force your op with uber-aggro =)
 
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I also do the sane thing playing 2NL and 5NL, i think sometimes in the MTTs i try to apply strategy that wirks against ooponents that think in terms of ranges, EV, pot odds etc but in the lower buyins this is a very small set of opponents, usually the only thoughts these opponents have is what they are hold8ng and what is on the board and they are ready to call with whatever it is they have cause, in their mind you are always bluffing them, which works to your advantage if you are playing ABC style at these levels whuch is what i need to focus on here and save the more fancy strategic play for the right opponents

Also I wanted to ask the question , how do people feel about the hyper turbo SNG, it seems that you cN get alot of play but it also seems like there is a little less strategic advantage and a little more lyck involved
 
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As for me, I hate hyper turbo games, and I've never cashed in the very few I've played. But there are many players who like them and wins them. And you may be one of those players. Whatever you do best in, that is what you should play.

Thanks for your positive input here asedu. I for one needs all the advice I can get.
 
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Well got some good news, got into a $500 gtd this afternoon and made the FT, i was sitting in about 5th with 49,000 chips and woke up with AKs in MP, i made it roughly 2.5 x the BB, I got 3B by the button in which he raised 3x my OPR, with 36,000 roughly behind i shoved, villan shows KK which i put him on QQ+, I figured I had enough equity to make this shove given the range i put him on and I figured at this point either my tourney is over or i will have a signifcant chip count to take me into top 3, well wasnt to be i didnt catch my A, but overall i was very happy with my play, I made some very tough lay downs in critical spots which paid off in the long run. I finished 6th for an ok payout given the buyin.

I am going to post the hand i went out on if i can
 
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Well what did you win, or was just 3 places paid? It don't matter what you won. They always say a win is a win no matter how much it is. Way to go
 
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Nvmd, i camt figure out how to get the HH off ignition

It paid 18 spots

6th paid $25.50
 
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@ Socialpro29, that's awesome dude! Nice recovery!
I try to play small-pot poker when I jam MTTs so I hate tourneys like hyper-turbos where the speed of the blind increases effectively forces one to make frequent decisions for their tournament life...
 
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Thanks Jacobalyrus, yeah i also took down a $5 SNG so I brought my roll back to the mark i had @ $80 before i went on the bad run which took me down below $30, hopefully can increase further abd start getting a nice roll going
 
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