ROI for Sitngo's

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I have been playing Sit&go's for the last 3 weeks to some success built my bankroll from $10 to $240 but to be fair has taken me a few weeks to do so lool my question is however my ROI is around the 30% mark is that good or bad for £5 dollar sit&go's. Also what percentage would you reccommend me reach to move up to the $10 sit&go's??
 
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Also forgot to mention the 30% ROI is me playing 3 tables at a time.
 
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what kind of sng's stt's? if so then you can expect that number to come down.
 
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How many have you played? Typically for turbos a very good ROI is ~10%, but since you're playing normal speed it'd be a little bit higher, maybe ~15%? But yeah, those are over very large samples. If you're achieving something larger than that, then without trying to sound rude, I would enjoy the ride while it lasts, because a regression to the mean in oncoming :(
 
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I have played 325 Sitngo's at $5 with an ROI of 27%. I'm not trying to boast that is the facts im getting from sharkscope.com. Just trying to gauge whether I should move up levels to the $11 Sitngo's now I have $250 in my account? any thoughts ppl??
 
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I have played 325 Sitngo's at $5 with an ROI of 27%. I'm not trying to boast that is the facts im getting from Sharkscope.com. Just trying to gauge whether I should move up levels to the $11 Sitngo's now I have $250 in my account? any thoughts ppl??

My thoughts Tom would be dont! Unless you have set yourself a limit that if you loose so much you'll move down as the BRM your using right now is good for $5.50 but its a big jump to $11. If it would me i'd work to over $300 mark to move up, especially as my ROI for the level at im at now is great and turning a good bankroll into a great one!
 
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Thanks alot for that. I will do as you say Ross lool Im just abit impatient and want to be making more money and quicker but I suppose everyone is like that. Hopefully will be on the $11 SitnGo's 2morro.
 
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Personally I'd be working at adding more tables before considering moving up. An ROI of +30% is just HUGE! Try checking out the ROI's of the winning regs. in the higher buyins online... it might make it so you're not as eager to move up in buyins (ie. 2% is decent at higher buyins).
 
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I have played 325 Sitngo's at $5 with an ROI of 27%. I'm not trying to boast that is the facts im getting from Sharkscope.com. Just trying to gauge whether I should move up levels to the $11 Sitngo's now I have $250 in my account? any thoughts ppl??

I see the occassional player with a huge ROI in the micros ($5's & $10's) but more often it's from playing the 18's, 27's, 45's (or the RUSH donkaments).

Seeing you've accomplished this in STT/SNG I thought it was a) pretty impressive b) real good but likely on a heater c) just didn't happen
I was swayin' towards "b)" but then got curious. So I found you on a table.. ITM, $5 sng, limp otb w 98o w 12b's... makin' some 'big' preflop calls & flop calls for near 50% of stack & then folding... got me curious.
I see 305games... & not wantin' to 'out ya' here.... you might want to check those other numbers instead of 'bluffin' here with the Hee-odge ROI #'s.
 
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I was considering adding more tables actually, just thought I would go to the $11 buyin first. The 3 tables are quite comfortable at the minute but maybe I could do with adding one or two more. aslong as the money I am making daily goes up instead of down as a result of the number of tables im playing??
 
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With the $250 is 22buyins in the $11´s, with the heater you are on you could try the $11´s, but don´t get upset if get broke by next week, from your 300 games i see that you was playing the $2´s before, and barely a 100 games are in $5´s.

I will recomend play at least 1 more week in the $5´s, but is your money, if want to make a try in the $11´s and see if the heater go on jump in.

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Thanks alot for that Logan, really appreciate the help. I think the general view is too stay at the $5 at the minute which im going to do till at least I hit the $300 and I certainly dont want to go bust after all this hard work I have put in lool Just gotta hope the ROI stays at the same level as I move up.
 
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Personally I'd be working at adding more tables before considering moving up. An ROI of +30% is just HUGE! Try checking out the ROI's of the winning regs. in the higher buyins online... it might make it so you're not as eager to move up in buyins (ie. 2% is decent at higher buyins).

Either way has up and down sides for me. Adding more tables is for sure the future for any serious sng player but if you are rolled for the next level now moving up with 3 tables wouldnt be a bad thing. With 3 tables you can take notice of the action more while you learn and in theory keep the downswings smaller than if you are mass multing. If you start doing well at the next level you can always start adding a few more tables there.
 
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Stay at the $5's and be prepared for a huge drop in your ROI. :(

Sorry - but that is not sustainable for an inexperienced player. And your bankroll is not large enough for the $11's. You should probably have $1000 to play those - but at least $500.
 
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on my last run i played arroud 100 SNG of 6-max, 3 and 5 $, and i got a roi of 18,61% and 44,4% ITM, and i felt very good about it. So i believe that 30% is actualy very good, try to keep up but dont be suprised if it goes a little bellow 20%
 
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Ok to all of the haters out there saying his ROI is going to drop massively...it's entirely possible to sustain a ROI MUCH higher than that of the typical massive multitabler (even if the multitabler is a monster like me). How? By playing fewer tables, such as 3 at a time.

When you're playing so few tables you can focus on information beyond the scope of multitablers' and absolutely maximize your profitable plays. You will also be less likely to make mistakes, especially mistakes 'caused by multitabling (like reacting too quickly to some information and not fully thinking).

If the OP is a semi skilled player I think it's decent to assume he could sustain over 15-20% ROI long term, especially if he's willing to put in the time to improve his game along the way.

p.s. for the record, I ran at 17% at $19 av. buyin for nearly 3k games on stars(standard speeds).
 
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Ok to all of the haters out there saying his ROI is going to drop massively...it's entirely possible to sustain a ROI MUCH higher than that of the typical massive multitabler (even if the multitabler is a monster like me). How? By playing fewer tables, such as 3 at a time.

When you're playing so few tables you can focus on information beyond the scope of multitablers' and absolutely maximize your profitable plays. You will also be less likely to make mistakes, especially mistakes 'caused by multitabling (like reacting too quickly to some information and not fully thinking).

If the OP is a semi skilled player I think it's decent to assume he could sustain over 15-20% ROI long term, especially if he's willing to put in the time to improve his game along the way.

p.s. for the record, I ran at 17% at $19 av. buyin for nearly 3k games on stars(standard speeds).

This is what I meant but Bwammo put it far more elequently than I ever could. I basically agree with what Dakota said too but within that think its ok to take a few shots with fewer tables going, infact its something I wished I did. Personally I think many smart poker players here might have done a little better moving up a little faster which probally sounds real stupid to everyone here.

Using what Bwammo said it could be benificial getting to the tens and above while in the honeymoon period of poker when your hungry and learning how to play certain situations instead of becoming a 10- 20 plus table grinder at below the 10s, going on auto pilot and possibly swinging more than the ratpack at a swingers party. So many people get to the 10s playing "correct" poker and soon they are back at the 5s, or stagnating at the 10s. I know most people who move up too fast end up busto but many players here whos posts I respect maybe could have been up there a little faster.

This is just a opinion but I know that now I have cut down on tables I am seeing more.
 
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Two previous post are spot on. Less table should increase ROI. Hourly rate is more important than ROI. If your $/hr is going up ROI doesn't matter (as long as it's+). Move up when your comfortable with it. As long as you winning just do what feels right.
 
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Hourly rate is more important than ROI

Goals change needs. Someone with the goal of maximizing profit would think hourly rate is the most important...but someone with the goal of improving their poker game and becoming a more talented player, would be more concerned with ROI.

Everything is subjective.
 
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I want both ROI and $/hr to go up. Would sacrifice ROI for more $/hr. Why do players want to improve their game? To make more money...right?
 
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Ok to all of the haters out there saying his ROI is going to drop massively...it's entirely possible to sustain a ROI MUCH higher than that of the typical massive multitabler (even if the multitabler is a monster like me). How? By playing fewer tables, such as 3 at a time.

When you're playing so few tables you can focus on information beyond the scope of multitablers' and absolutely maximize your profitable plays. You will also be less likely to make mistakes, especially mistakes 'caused by multitabling (like reacting too quickly to some information and not fully thinking).

If the OP is a semi skilled player I think it's decent to assume he could sustain over 15-20% ROI long term, especially if he's willing to put in the time to improve his game along the way.

p.s. for the record, I ran at 17% at $19 av. buyin for nearly 3k games on stars(standard speeds).

I am not a hater lol - just seen this lots of times in the forum and they never seem to maintain it. I don't want him to unrealistically think he is going to maintain or improve on 27% while he is learning the game.

Also your 17% is a lot less than his 27% - so even if he did as well as you did he can still expect that much of a drop which is significant. (and honestly - how many people have done as well as you have? :p )

This is what I meant but Bwammo put it far more elequently than I ever could. I basically agree with what Dakota said too but within that think its ok to take a few shots with fewer tables going, infact its something I wished I did. Personally I think many smart poker players here might have done a little better moving up a little faster which probally sounds real stupid to everyone here.

Using what Bwammo said it could be benificial getting to the tens and above while in the honeymoon period of poker when your hungry and learning how to play certain situations instead of becoming a 10- 20 plus table grinder at below the 10s, going on auto pilot and possibly swinging more than the ratpack at a swingers party. So many people get to the 10s playing "correct" poker and soon they are back at the 5s, or stagnating at the 10s. I know most people who move up too fast end up busto but many players here whos posts I respect maybe could have been up there a little faster.

This is just a opinion but I know that now I have cut down on tables I am seeing more.


I don't think Bwammo was advocating him moving up to the $11's with a $240 bankroll.
 
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Why do players want to improve their game? To make more money...right?

Not really. Also some people only play online inbetween the times they play live games. I know that when I started playing poker I didn't care about the money, hell I still don't, I just want to get better. The only reason $/hr has come into my concerns is I do this for a living, so it's vital.

General thought: the more games you play at once, the harder it is to become a better player, because you're making even more decisions and giving yourself less time to ponder what is happening.
 
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If the OP is a semi skilled player I think it's decent to assume he could sustain over 15-20% ROI long term, especially if he's willing to put in the time to improve his game along the way.

p.s. for the record, I ran at 17% at $19 av. buyin for nearly 3k games on stars(standard speeds).
I am not a hater also.

Agree with the 15-20 in long term, the leader in Fultilt leaderboard in $5´s for October run a 21% ROI with 1000+ games, so yes is reacheable, but like Debi say you are talking about the very good players.

Also OP first mention his ROI was around the 30% mark (in first and 2nd post), then later comment was 27% ROI in 300 games in $5s, but from those 300, 200 was in $2 games and 100 in $5´s, so telling his ROI is going to be lower is not because of hate, is been objective, a 15-20% ROI is way different than 27%-30%, and you know that 100 games don´t say much.

But the importance in the topic more than his ROI was is question about move up with 22buyins wich don´t sound that good.

Anyway, OP already jump to $11´s so we will see soon if his ROI holds.
 
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but from those 300, 200 was in $2 games and 100 in $5´s, so telling his ROI is going to be lower is not because of hate, is been objective, a 15-20% ROI is way different than 27%-30%, and you know that 100 games don´t say much.

This information wasn't presented to me :p If these are the facts...yeah I doubt this player will sustain it lol

Oh btw, I said "over" 15-20%, not "at" 15-20% :p

But the importance in the topic more than his ROI was is question about move up with 22buyins wich don´t sound that good.

Actually he never asked any questions about his bankroll in his original post, he asked about what ROI he would need to move up, and that was all I was answering.

Anyway, OP already jump to $11´s so we will see soon if his ROI holds.

His ROI obviously won't hold if he has already moved up, since he will be playing against different players. No one's ROI will be the same if they move up.
 
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