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I was playing a freeroll on pokerstars with a 3k pricepool and 650 participants. 15 minutes in was I with startstack and an aggressive player went all-in with a 4BB shorter stack than me. I call pre-flop with QQ he has A9 and he hits the Ace on the river.

I checked the hand-analysis afterwards and saw that I will win 3 of 4 times. But is it worth the risk in a such a good tournament??
 
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well that's a pretty good question. In cash it is obviously a really good move. I think it actually was, cause you won't get monstar cards very often. It also depends on the type of tournament: was it turbo? how much deep were you? I would have analised this.
I'm not saying its a bad play, cause odds are on your favour, but if you were already deep, and blinds didn¡t raise quickly maybe it would have been better to fold, but otherwise its ok. This is my opinion
 
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Snap call. Never ever laying down Q-Q in this spot.
 
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If you even consider folding this your never going to make it anywhere in tournaments. That is just the element of luck in poker coming out, your a big favorite, you just have to roll with the variance. There is not many spots where your going to be a bigger favorite than this.
 
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good move

the correct move would have been to wait till you see the ace on the river then fold......:p

preflop action is always a gamble. rare to never to fold, unless your feeling the heebeejeeebeesss.
However you cant win everytime your favored....knowing this, you must count everytime you have won wif queens in yer whole life or site ;) ........hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
 
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but Hairs another point of view fer you. since it is so early in the trny. maybe a better option would be to build your chip stack playing more post flop hands as opposed to chasing all the tards pushing all in when the blinds and 15-30 or what ever. RISK vrs. REWARD. if it kinda feels silly ....it probably is :eating:

Hardy har har........now GO BEET YOUR HEAD INTO A WALL CAUE YER GONA DO IT AGAIN
 
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the correct move would have been to wait till you see the ace on the river then fold......:p

preflop action is always a gamble. rare to never to fold, unless your feeling the heebeejeeebeesss.
However you cant win everytime your favored....knowing this, you must count everytime you have won wif queens in yer whole life or site ;) ........hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Ummm, no. There was no post flop action. Getting it in preflop is a standard play here. Hero just got unlucky. Villain sucked out. We are not going to find many spots as good as this one. Variance is possible...

but Hairs another point of view fer you. since it is so early in the trny. maybe a better option would be to build your chip stack playing more post flop hands as opposed to chasing all the tards pushing all in when the blinds and 15-30 or what ever. RISK vrs. REWARD. if it kinda feels silly ....it probably is :eating:

Hardy har har........now GO BEET YOUR HEAD INTO A WALL CAUE YER GONA DO IT AGAIN


You just don't know what you are saying. Hero is short stacked, and has a great opportunity to double up right here, as a favorite.

He doesn't have the chips to play post flop, he is short stacked.

I often wonder if people (like you) even READ the thread, BEFORE they decide to comment.

And last sentence was just a little weird.:stupid:
 
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Short stacked getting a premium hand against an aggressive player with even shorter hand who goes all preflop is an automatic call. You have a great chance to win the hand unless the opponent has AA or KK. Then he has the lead. You can still get unlucky but that is poker. Chancing are that you will be profitable more than not. If he has AA you still have a chance to get trips and win. Considering that you are afraid that you will be knocked out is not a good reason. You can get knocked out with best of hands.
 
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I was playing a freeroll on pokerstars with a 3k pricepool and 650 participants. 15 minutes in was I with startstack and an aggressive player went all-in with a 4BB shorter stack than me. I call pre-flop with QQ he has A9 and he hits the Ace on the river.

I checked the hand-analysis afterwards and saw that I will win 3 of 4 times. But is it worth the risk in a such a good tournament??

most if not all my early bust-outs happen when i call shoves with QQ, KK or even aces, i'd say u should have folded especially if there were players to act after you.
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fwiw, he said he had "startstack" not "short stack" Since he also says it was 15 minutes in, I'd guess he had around his starting stack, not that he was short already. If so, then he's asking about calling the opponent's overshove.
 
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always, always ,always......if someone is willing to go in as a 2 to 1 dog go for it ...66+% of the time you are making $
 
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Okey, thanks for the advices everyone. I made the right thing, but was unlucky...
 
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boston and beens suck

yea.....thats just MY TWO CENTS.....You did not understand what i said. if you read my post you would have read its a rare to never fold. i simply gave op an answer to his question. go pick a fight with some else.
 
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I was playing a freeroll on pokerstars with a 3k pricepool and 650 participants. 15 minutes in was I with startstack and an aggressive player went all-in with a 4BB shorter stack than me. I call pre-flop with QQ he has A9 and he hits the Ace on the river.

I checked the hand-analysis afterwards and saw that I will win 3 of 4 times. But is it worth the risk in a such a good tournament??

No way, not only 15 minutes in. Cash, oh yes, call all day. MTT? Early? No way, not for my almost my whole stack. Yet, as you can see, going all in w A-9 that early is not exactly a genius play, especially with a crap 9 kicker. He has draws that just suck - Top one pair, 2 pair, and two ONE card st8's/flushes? One is only 9 high, so might as well just be one flush draw. Argh. It's just a weak azz hand. Clearly, the old "but, It's a free roll" applies, which ranks right alongside "but it was suited!".

I'm not suggesting folding or playing scared, yet that early against a stack that could cripple you...if you want to survive to win, you do occasionally have to lay down a big hand (if only I could more often. I must admit, I might well have called also, as, lol, it's free!). That being said, who could blame you if you were shortstacked. Yet, after only 15 minutes, just how short where you that you could not fold and wait for a better spot?

Speaking of, your bigger problem here really is why were you so shortstacked after only 15 minutes of play (assuming you meant short instead of start-stacked) I mean, it happens, fine; yet what were the levels? Was it a turbo?

I despise big laydowns, but in MTT, it's the name of the game. 2 out of three or 4 out of 5 do not mean squat if you are wrong and go bye bye with no moola. Pick better spots. And keep in mind the fish level of a 3k free game is off the charts. bluffing is pointless and fancy plays are best left for when the schools of fish have been thinned out by the sharks.

Surviving means seeing a flop before starting a war, if at all possible, early in the game. And if you simply shove w AA or KK all the time, they will just fold. You should be raising preflop with your good hands 2-3x every time to keep them guessing. Once you do that with say AA, (you 2.5x as always, then a guy shoves and you call, and you felt him), they will watch out for you. Then when you have QQ and 2.5x they might think twice about shoving with a crap hand like A9 before seeing a flop.

Just keep in mind, with QQ, any flop with a Ace or King (or a good draw) can spell disaster. What is the villain's range? Is THE question. See guys stubbornly hold on to QQ right into the rail all the time in MTT's. It's not cash.
 
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No brainer....shove QQ any time you are short stack at >10 BB's

Startstack or shortstack? Important, but startstack is 75bb..

Generally, yeah, snapcall, but if you really don't want to deal with the short term variance, you can wait a little bit and try to chip up as the play gears more towards post flop, which you presumably have an edge at (if you don't have an edge, then you shouldn't consider folding here.

But if you're short then none of this matters. Get it in.
 
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In the begining of a nice tournament, I avoid go all in pre-flop. You dont know (yet) the donks you're playing. You say he was an agrssive player, but that move on from a donk player that when he sees an A, he moves all in.

My 2 cents too :)
 
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In the begining of a nice tournament, I avoid go all in pre-flop. You dont know (yet) the donks you're playing. You say he was an agrssive player, but that move on from a donk player that when he sees an A, he moves all in.

My 2 cents too :)

I think you are right on. Lots of guys go nuke with any ace, kill guys with better hands...for a while. They rarely make the money, so why risk getting ran over by a donk early in the game preflop, right?

BTW, the guys who beat those loose cannons are the ones that put the risk in a hand with them when they have them well covered. That way, if the donkey-tank gets lucky, it does not kill them. So, if losing with QQ only costs 1/4 or 1/2 your stack, why not risk it? Thats not a bad flip.

It's the potential 90% stack cracking that makes it a bad flip early, right?
 
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Short stack or start stack, still an automatic call. Why wait for another good spot, when we have one right here. It's a free roll, and the object is to accumulate chips.

I would rather bust here, than to be forced to get it in later in a worse spot... like getting g short stacked and going all in with A-x
 
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With QQ I always go all-in before the flop. I never wait to someone make a pair of aces or kings, and in every articles that I read it says that with AA,KK,QQ we should always go all-in before the flop.
 
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would of done the same, id say
 
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No way, not only 15 minutes in. Cash, oh yes, call all day. MTT? Early? No way, not for my almost my whole stack. Yet, as you can see, going all in w A-9 that early is not exactly a genius play, especially with a crap 9 kicker. He has draws that just suck - Top one pair, 2 pair, and two ONE card st8's/flushes? One is only 9 high, so might as well just be one flush draw. Argh. It's just a weak azz hand. Clearly, the old "but, It's a free roll" applies, which ranks right alongside "but it was suited!".

I'm not suggesting folding or playing scared, yet that early against a stack that could cripple you...if you want to survive to win, you do occasionally have to lay down a big hand (if only I could more often. I must admit, I might well have called also, as, lol, it's free!). That being said, who could blame you if you were shortstacked. Yet, after only 15 minutes, just how short where you that you could not fold and wait for a better spot?

Speaking of, your bigger problem here really is why were you so shortstacked after only 15 minutes of play (assuming you meant short instead of start-stacked) I mean, it happens, fine; yet what were the levels? Was it a turbo?

I despise big laydowns, but in MTT, it's the name of the game. 2 out of three or 4 out of 5 do not mean squat if you are wrong and go bye bye with no moola. Pick better spots. And keep in mind the fish level of a 3k free game is off the charts. Bluffing is pointless and fancy plays are best left for when the schools of fish have been thinned out by the sharks.

Surviving means seeing a flop before starting a war, if at all possible, early in the game. And if you simply shove w AA or KK all the time, they will just fold. You should be raising preflop with your good hands 2-3x every time to keep them guessing. Once you do that with say AA, (you 2.5x as always, then a guy shoves and you call, and you felt him), they will watch out for you. Then when you have QQ and 2.5x they might think twice about shoving with a crap hand like A9 before seeing a flop.

Just keep in mind, with QQ, any flop with a Ace or King (or a good draw) can spell disaster. What is the villain's range? Is THE question. See guys stubbornly hold on to QQ right into the rail all the time in MTT's. It's not cash.

Suggesting a fold here when we're almost always way ahead is terrible.
There's no way in hell that villain is open-shoving with AA or KK here in this spot.

fwiw, a friend of mine was in a buyin tourney on Stars today where 5x $215 WCOOP tickets were added to the prizepool. Player in EP open-shoves for 75bb's. They held 'QQ' & called (asking later if it was 'correct'). Villain donk showed A9s & flopped the nuts (lol). They were out first hand. Does it make it the wrong play? No. Not at all. (if they'd told me they'd folded I would've been shocked & disappointed).
If it was a satellite & half the field were getting the $215 WCOOP ticket & they felt they had a big advantage over the field, then sure... go ahead & fold.
 
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I think you are right on. Lots of guys go nuke with any ace, kill guys with better hands...for a while. They rarely make the money, so why risk getting ran over by a donk early in the game preflop, right?

BTW, the guys who beat those loose cannons are the ones that put the risk in a hand with them when they have them well covered. That way, if the donkey-tank gets lucky, it does not kill them. So, if losing with QQ only costs 1/4 or 1/2 your stack, why not risk it? Thats not a bad flip.

It's the potential 90% stack cracking that makes it a bad flip early, right?
Wrong. And when is it every a flip? (we're only flipping vs AK & even then it is still gii all day long in that spot)
 
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