is restealing the way to success?

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i am curious to what people think about restealing pots is the way to get deep into tournaments? i have been trying to learn this aspect of the game after watching a $2000 buyin tournament on fulltilt poker, alot of the time these guys tried to resteal people off pots on weakness. the question is, is restealing the way to get deep into tournaments? please comment i am very curious to what people think about this thoery
 
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Having a tight image definitely helps. Position and the person's chip stack is also important. It's usually easy to do this when you have a bigger stack. Make a respectable bet when any 2 cards from late position, and you should be fine.
 
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It's something you need to add to your game to pick up more chips as the tournament progresses. Stealing blinds is also very important to maintain a healthy stack. Anyway you can pick up chips during a tourney gets you deeper. 15-20 bb's is a nice size stack to 3 bet shove. You probably need at least 30 bb's to 3 bet fold to a reraise or shove for your stack.
 
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I can do restealing very well on cash games, but on MTT I can't do it at the right time.
 
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To be used LATE into the tournament

The steal/resteal is something that should be left until the final stages of the tournament, just as you approach the bubble. Here it is when the bigger stacks tighten up not wanting to lose tourney position, and the smaller stacks do the same, not wanting to miss being ITM.

THEN is the time to loosen up your play after maintaining a tight image throughout the rest of the tourney, as it's not just the blinds you are stealing, it's the antes as well. As long as you have a makeable hand, you should be able to shove with quite a range of hands dealt to you, and gather a tidy profit at the same time, as everybody folds around you. However, as in previous posts... Position, stack size and table image are also key factors to bear in mind.
 
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I wouldn't say that re-stealing is the best way to get deep but it definitely helps. It lets people know that you're not going to give up your blinds without a fight, it can keep a lag in check who raises a lot pre but doesn't play 3-bet pots, if you do it as a bluff then pick up a big hand against the same stealer it could win you a big pot. There are tons of advantages to doing it. The biggest thing I would consider is your image and your past history with your opponent. As far as what level I like to play on for re-steal it would be lvl 4.

Your play
--Should be fairly solid without stepping out of line to often, or just not getting caught yet.

How you preceive your opponents play
--Is he lag, tag, passive, all around solid, ect? Looking for a high ats% or a tag who, for a good reason, I feel is on a steal.

How your opponent preceives your play
--You should know this, not have a guess at it. If your opponent isn't thinking about your hands and how you're playing then don't consider the re-steal

How your opponent perceives how you perceive you opponent play
--Have you been betting back a forth a lot, playing hands ect This is were table talk in a live game can help you out tons. If a player is obviously getting frustrated about your play then be ready for a 3-bet bluff preflop from them. (another thread)

I'm basically trying to say that if you want to re-steal make sure that you have a history with the opponent, be up against a player who has an idea of what they're doing, and haven't shown obvious signs of frustrastion towards your opponents raises in the past. The 3-bet might not get the respect your looking for (a fold) if you don't respect, or are getting frustrated by, your opponents play and he knows this.

This actually got me thinking a lot about stealing and when it has and hasn't worked for me. I'm probably going to re-read this in a hour and hate what I wrote but there's some good ideas in here.
 
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The steal/resteal is something that should be left until the final stages of the tournament, just as you approach the bubble. Here it is when the bigger stacks tighten up not wanting to lose tourney position, and the smaller stacks do the same, not wanting to miss being ITM.

THEN is the time to loosen up your play after maintaining a tight image throughout the rest of the tourney, as it's not just the blinds you are stealing, it's the antes as well. As long as you have a makeable hand, you should be able to shove with quite a range of hands dealt to you, and gather a tidy profit at the same time, as everybody folds around you. However, as in previous posts... Position, stack size and table image are also key factors to bear in mind.

couldn't agree more, stealing blinds in the begining of the tournament is a stupid idea, and you'll pass a loose image to the table, and of course in mtts you should pass a tight image on the begining
 
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i am curious to what people think about restealing pots is the way to get deep into tournaments? i have been trying to learn this aspect of the game after watching a $2000 buyin tournament on fulltilt poker, alot of the time these guys tried to resteal people off pots on weakness. the question is, is restealing the way to get deep into tournaments? please comment i am very curious to what people think about this thoery

In higher buyins you will much different play than in a low buyin - - what works in a high buyin doesn't necessarily work in a low one. Typically in a high buyin alot of the players know each other on the tables and have alot of history together. You'll also see alot of light 3-betting & even 4-bet bluffing preflop (something that'd be pretty insane to try in a low buyin).
As far as re-stealing by shipping it in over LP raises while on a resteal-sized stack... by all means. The occassional 3bet steal in position when stacks are deep... player dependent but can be profitable.
OP, it depends on the buyin you're playing & the players on your table.
 
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It depends on what part of the tournament your talking about. Its really important how you play on the bubble.

Around the bubble, if i have alot of chips, i like to take advantage of the short stacks. They either go all in with a good hand, or go for it with a bad hand trying to steal the blinds. Or you can play it the opposite way and just sit back. Bubble is a critical time to play and make your stack big.

If you have small chips, then you just need to go all in when you get the right hand.
 
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I do not think taht restealing through bluffin or semibluffing is the way to success. Is verry risky and u have to commit too much of your chips. Almost like an all-in.

I am alright to resteal near the bubble with a verry good hand. But imagine if u get caught bluffing with almost all of youor chips down.
If u have a bad hand and a high stack trying to steal the blinds u better stay put and most of the time this is the scenario with you short or medium stack and others pushing you. U just need to find your spot to play .
 
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I do not think taht restealing through bluffin or semibluffing is the way to success. Is verry risky and u have to commit too much of your chips. Almost like an all-in.

I am alright to resteal near the bubble with a verry good hand. But imagine if u get caught bluffing with almost all of youor chips down.
If u have a bad hand and a high stack trying to steal the blinds u better stay put and most of the time this is the scenario with you short or medium stack and others pushing you. U just need to find your spot to play .

If you're doing with with "a very good hand" how is that 're-stealing'????
 
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i like to try and resteal with big draws or mid pairs, hands that i know im going to push all in with or fold flat to a big reraise, i also like to try and resteal if i know a player is weak or will give up pots easily, i try to leave this to the later stages of the tournament though
 
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Provided your either the Button or the Cut Off, restealing does prove to be a profitable tactic. If you've built a tight Image among your peers, it works best against Aggressive players to your right.
 
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Restealing is pretty crucial vs. LP raisers. People will make bad folds all the time.
 
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i think the most importatn thing to restealing is deffinitly the image, who is going to believe a maniac actually has something most of the time he reraises, but sometimes the table is to easy to steal from that you have to be a maniac, itll simply just be more profitablein the long run. but overall the table image is key
 
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In certain situations yes. In others no. Trying to re-steal against a calling station or a shortstacked player for example is a recipe for disaster.
 
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yes dwolfg you make a very good point thier, restealing against a calling station is impossible, maybe its true that knowing your table is more important or as equally important as table image, because if you know a guy is a calling station then you wanna go in with the nuts andbait him in. but if he is kind of a softer player you can call with any hand pretty much and steal the pot of him postflop or on the turn
 
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