Reducing bet size on next street

#1 21st July 2016, 1:25 PM

When I'm betting I never like to lower my bet. Always higher, rarely the same, never lower

What does a lower bet mean, apart from turning the nuts and trying a little value bet?

#2 21st July 2016, 2:05 PM

it means they typically do not know what they are doing, can actually mean many things depending on the player and what you observe from them.

#3 21st July 2016, 3:21 PM

you're right no one wants to play well . but the fact is that not everyone can play at those stakes on which he plays . play on those which allows you the ability .

#4 21st July 2016, 7:59 PM

You need to repeat the theory, and continue to play. At one time it helped me.

#5 21st July 2016, 8:29 PM

Would checking the next street be lowering bet ?

#6 21st July 2016, 8:57 PM

are you talking about a bet as an absolute value, or as a percent of the pot?

#7 21st July 2016, 9:07 PM

If you are talking about if the villain makes a lower turn bet than flop bet, it can mean he didn't hit the flop but is trying not to give up the betting lead in case he makes his hand on the river. It can also mean he thinks you are super weak and is trying to get some value from you by pricing you into the pot. Really need to depend on your read on this opponent and what he was holding last time he made this move.

#8 21st July 2016, 9:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Acruzen

are you talking about a bet as an absolute value, or as a percent of the pot?

Value of the bet. Betting 1200 then 900 for example

#9 21st July 2016, 9:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Poker247

If you are talking about if the villain makes a lower turn bet than flop bet, it can mean he didn't hit the flop but is trying not to give up the betting lead in case he makes his hand on the river. It can also mean he thinks you are super weak and is trying to get some value from you by pricing you into the pot. Really need to depend on your read on this opponent and what he was holding last time he made this move.

If you don't see his hand how would you know what he had on the last time he made that move.

#10 21st July 2016, 10:50 PM

Let me reverse the flow of your question. Why do you increase bet on every street? Just as an aside, Betting and bet-sizing is a question of your goal. Are you betting to keep your opponent in the pot, trying to keep the lead to force them to make decisions, trying to get them to fold, or trying to keep control of the pot size? As the previous comments indicate, there are a number of reasons why someone would reduce their bet size. So is it one of the above reasons, or is it because they don't have a clue? That is the tough part. Without knowing your opponent, you have to dismiss his actions and keep playing your style.

#11 22nd July 2016, 4:35 AM

yeah i lower my bet all the time after making big ones, especially vs good players who tend to read it as weakness. But mainly i'll do that when i want to get value when i know the river has bricked, instead of checking i'll sometimes bet really small to either get them to raise/bluff me or to get A high or some really weak pairs to call.

#12 22nd July 2016, 2:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan Lucas

Let me reverse the flow of your question. Why do you increase bet on every street? Just as an aside, Betting and bet-sizing is a question of your goal. Are you betting to keep your opponent in the pot, trying to keep the lead to force them to make decisions, trying to get them to fold, or trying to keep control of the pot size? As the previous comments indicate, there are a number of reasons why someone would reduce their bet size. So is it one of the above reasons, or is it because they don't have a clue? That is the tough part. Without knowing your opponent, you have to dismiss his actions and keep playing your style.

Bigger bet as as the pot gets bigger rack bet will be a %. The pot never reduces in value

#13 23rd July 2016, 3:01 PM

It could be weakness,
It could be pot control,
It could be value,
It could be the nuts,
That's Poker.
You have to try and work out what it is each time.

#14 23rd July 2016, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wilTurkey56

Bigger bet as as the pot gets bigger rack bet will be a %. The pot never reduces in value

it does if you play in a home game with me, i have sticky fingers

#15 24th July 2016, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by WiZZiM

yeah i lower my bet all the time after making big ones, especially vs good players who tend to read it as weakness. But mainly i'll do that when i want to get value when i know the river has bricked, instead of checking i'll sometimes bet really small to either get them to raise/bluff me or to get A high or some really weak pairs to call.

I was going to say, you can definitely use it as a fishing lure for aggressive players. But yeah, you got to try to rotate your tricks too. People catch on and it helps if you set it up. Play loose and tighten up or visa-versa just switching up your game usually helps keep scents thrown off. Poker is interesting, everyone is fighting for dominance and control and we can all disillusion ourselves into thinking we have that control when we are still dependent on catching the right cards.

#16 25th July 2016, 5:23 AM

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Originally Posted by thechamp5

I was going to say, you can definitely use it as a fishing lure for aggressive players. But yeah, you got to try to rotate your tricks too. People catch on and it helps if you set it up. Play loose and tighten up or visa-versa just switching up your game usually helps keep scents thrown off. Poker is interesting, everyone is fighting for dominance and control and we can all disillusion ourselves into thinking we have that control when we are still dependent on catching the right cards.

yeah for sure, but the real key is to work out who is capable of catching on. most people over adjust things too much, so they play really loose then play like a nit, just to throw people off, when in reality they have been at the table for 20-30 hands.

its only really super important to do these things in games where you face good opponants often, for days on end playing the same games, otherwise just stick to doing things to maximise profit. you can get away with being pretty exploitable in most games.

#17 25th July 2016, 8:04 AM

Personally, I this technique is used to provoke a bluff or hide the hand in very rare cases, this weakness.

#18 25th July 2016, 6:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Syltan

Personally, I this technique is used to provoke a bluff or hide the hand in very rare cases, this weakness.

I do so, this is a good method.

#19 25th July 2016, 9:24 PM

It could also be a bluff strategy. Bettor has no hand, but hopes his opponents will see the small bet as a trapping move with a strong hand, forcing them to fold marginal hands. This is a tricky move, but I have used it a few times myself to get folds. Raise pre-flop, bet flop when you miss, then small bet on turn to make it look like you don't want anyone to fold. This move usually only works if players perception of you is tight.

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