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Since we can't read players through there body language when playing online poker, what other methods can one use when trying to read online players?

Ps sorry if i might of posted in the wrong place, i'm used to playing sngs so went to the tournament section.
 
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You can look for betting patterns,How long they take to make a decision,Their bet sizing..It also depends on what buyins your playing at.
 
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Do they pay attention to position, what starting hands they play, in & out of position, how often do they c-bet.
With multi-tabling, time between bets can be misleading, at the lower limits fish play slow because they think it tilts everyone.
 
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Well personally the way I read opponents online is when they come to a show down in a hand,I aways wath to see what they were calling/betting/raising with. I like to find there ranges,I ALWAYS take notes on players in the tournament.
I also as mentioned above wath betting patterns time to act etc etc,
Hek sometimes I think I get better reads on people online than in live tournaments.
Almost seems easier sometimes.
 
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IMHO you can heavily discount the time to bet aspect. I can not be sure, but I think several sites insert pauses if I bet too fast. I have a fast connection, usually very reliable, but still get timed out on occasion so the site is either adding time or they need to upgrade their hardware.
 
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Most of the time what my fellow club members are telling you about the reads is true, most of the time. But when dealing with very good players, or great players this won't work. They will give you a read, just to take it away from you later. So be careful!
 
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I think reads are pretty hard online. Are they thinking..... or pausing to get a sandwich or because the dog came around? who knows. heads up you can get some reads and should be careful not to tip your hand...
 
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adding a few things to this very generalised thread.

the time factor isn't one you can really trust, unless you know the opponant very well. lets say you are playing a heads up match, you have played the opponant before and tyhink you have picked up a timing tell. you also know he only plays 4 tables at once and this timing tell has been observed over many hands. ----- that would be something that constitutes getting reads with time, anything else is just guesswork which is usually used to make yourself feel better about bad plays.

statistics are gold. you can use certain programs that tell you if they are winning or losing in a certain game. this is invaluable information as you can make some pretty damn accurate assumptions from this info.

as other have said, betting patterns is huge. try to get in their head and work out why they are raising 5x with QQ+ and only 3x with everything else, are they scared, they may have been screwed over with these hands before.

if you play certain players often, like for instance if you play sng and seem to be on the table with the same players, you can use a hud to go over their play, review hands that they have played in, to get a much better sense of what they are about. this is really important if you want to crush games. if it's a mtt you play, your likely to not see these players much at all, so dont bother.

theres more, but i cant think of any.
 
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adding a few things to this very generalised thread.

the time factor isn't one you can really trust, unless you know the opponant very well. lets say you are playing a heads up match, you have played the opponant before and tyhink you have picked up a timing tell. you also know he only plays 4 tables at once and this timing tell has been observed over many hands. ----- that would be something that constitutes getting reads with time, anything else is just guesswork which is usually used to make yourself feel better about bad plays.

statistics are gold. you can use certain programs that tell you if they are winning or losing in a certain game. this is invaluable information as you can make some pretty damn accurate assumptions from this info.

as other have said, betting patterns is huge. try to get in their head and work out why they are raising 5x with QQ+ and only 3x with everything else, are they scared, they may have been screwed over with these hands before.

if you play certain players often, like for instance if you play sng and seem to be on the table with the same players, you can use a hud to go over their play, review hands that they have played in, to get a much better sense of what they are about. this is really important if you want to crush games. if it's a mtt you play, your likely to not see these players much at all, so dont bother.

theres more, but i cant think of any.

Agree with this. I dont think time should be a factor at all. Peoples internet connection could be slow, they might be multi tabling, or just not paying attention. And I think players kind of use the time to try to confuse their opponents by mixing it up. Lets say they have a good hand, and one time they'll intentionally take a long time and another time they'll do the opposite. So I think just ignoring the time part is the smart thing to do.
 
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Agree with this. I dont think time should be a factor at all. Peoples internet connection could be slow, they might be multi tabling, or just not paying attention. And I think players kind of use the time to try to confuse their opponents by mixing it up. Lets say they have a good hand, and one time they'll intentionally take a long time and another time they'll do the opposite. So I think just ignoring the time part is the smart thing to do.
Good points regarding the time issue,something to consider..
 
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i have found that when some players act really quickly they are more often bluffing , wheres if they have a decent hand but not the nuts , 1. they have to think about weather they think they have the best hand . 2 . what amount they should bet to get most value.
When I see instant bets comming out street by street , I can usally polarise their range preety well.
Probably player dependant but have seen this alot.
 
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Dunno about you guys, I went and paid the extra for the software that lets you see their cards. So much easier than all that 'ranges' stuff...
 
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Dunno about you guys, I went and paid the extra for the software that lets you see their cards. So much easier than all that 'ranges' stuff...

You should wink when you imply we are silly.....;)
 
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Reading the chat board is a descent way to read opponents. Usually the more friendly the player, the more experienced and better they are, but keep in mind that this is a general statement.
 
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Reading the chat board is a descent way to read opponents. Usually the more friendly the player, the more experienced and better they are, but keep in mind that this is a general statement.

This is completely useless lol. Anyone can be friendly. Bad players are always mean?

Turn chatbox off and pay attention to betting patterns, previous hands that went to showdown, vpip/pfr. How often they fold to LP steals and 3bets. All those things. Dont worry about if they took 10 or 40 seconds to bet or if they wrote hey nice hand in the chat. My .02 cents
 
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The first thing you have to do is pay attention. There is info out there if you're watching. The main thing I consider is bet sizing and betting patterns. Sometimes the players that is constantly min betting suddenly starts making pot sized bets or overbetting. Then you have to ask "Why so much?" Did they hit a monster, or are they trying to chase you out? Sometimes it's the exact opposite. Then you have to ask "Why the change? Why so litttle?" Are they afraid to commit chips because they are weak, or are they begging for a call? Just like they say, the way someone plays a hand is like telling a story. The story has to make sense. It's not hard to figure out that somethings up. To figure out exactly what that is, it's necessary to have been paying attention prior to that point, in order to see patterns and deviations. The tell might be the pattern. Then again, it might be the deviation from that pattern. I don't even always know what it is that I see. I just know that this guy is about to ship his stack. And when he does, I'm calling him with Ace high. Maybe it was the long pause before they acted, maybe the size of the bet, the way they played the hand. Sometimes the BS indicator illuminates, but we don't know what tripped it. Whether it's something concious or unconcious, whatever it is, you have to have been paying attention in the first place.
 
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I am going to be much more polite now that I know its key to being better player...joking aside I have found better players chat not at all...dont put any faith in time to bet as I myself use this time to run get soda etc...all other factors previously metioned are useful...
 
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I am going to be much more polite now that I know its key to being better player...joking aside I have found better players chat not at all...dont put any faith in time to bet as I myself use this time to run get soda etc...all other factors previously metioned are useful...

I myself will go run to get refreshments, so I understand what you're saying about the time to bet. But I do it during hands that I'm not involved in. I look at my hand, decide I'm not going to play and click fold to any. I don't do it in the middle of a hand I'm about play for all my chips. This guy just called your pre-flop raise. He check/called your 2/3 bet on the flop. He just check/called your 2/3 pot bet on the turn. Do you really think the time this guy took before shoving all-in on the river was because he went to fridge to get a cold pop right before shipped his stack?
 
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I myself will go run to get refreshments, so I understand what you're saying about the time to bet. But I do it during hands that I'm not involved in. I look at my hand, decide I'm not going to play and click fold to any. I don't do it in the middle of a hand I'm about play for all my chips. This guy just called your pre-flop raise. He check/called your 2/3 bet on the flop. He just check/called your 2/3 pot bet on the turn. Do you really think the time this guy took before shoving all-in on the river was because he went to fridge to get a cold pop right before shipped his stack?

And for all you know he/she is:

Playing other tables
Answering a phone call
Answering the door
Talking to his/her spouse
The dog jumped on his/her lap
The software itself delayed your action
His/Her connection slowed for a moment
Got involved in what was on TV for a sec (which I am guilty of ALOT unfortunately lol)
Hopped on a forum like CC for a sec and was typing somethin

I mean theres a million things that could happen. Not everyone is just staring at the screen waiting for their turn. Its online, some play casual. At a casino, obv you're locked into that and only that. Can't say the same for online.
 
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reading players online? Yea I mean paying attention to players bet patterns is pretty much the only way to read a person online. But its really hard to keep track of players early in a tourney because their is so much table movement going on its tough. So I suggest playing the %'s and position. The other big mistakes a lot of players make is not understanding pot odds. Calling a hand that they have no business calling or folding when pot odds suggest that you have to call
 
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One thing I notice is when a player uses up most of the clock and then bets big he or she usually has a good hand.
 
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You are absolutely correct, Blob. It could be any of those things. If so, I find it amazing how often that fortunate coincidence tends to occur. I thank the dog, cat, spouse, phone caller, service provider, mailman or whatever helped me make the correct decision so very many times. While I don't disagree that there could be a miriad of other things going on at someone's residence, you would have to likewise admit, that long pause before making a crucial decision for all of one's stack or tournament life might just as well have have something to do with the game they are in the middle of as some other distraction. While I might consider the latter, I am more likely to assume the former.
 
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This is completely useless lol. Anyone can be friendly. Bad players are always mean?

Turn chatbox off and pay attention to betting patterns, previous hands that went to showdown, vpip/pfr. How often they fold to LP steals and 3bets. All those things. Dont worry about if they took 10 or 40 seconds to bet or if they wrote hey nice hand in the chat. My .02 cents

+1....'ol blob sure knows how to read people pretty well, you should rail one of our pokerstars league games. I'm in the process of changing my playing style just so I can TRY and change the reads he has on me!


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+1....'ol blob sure knows how to read people pretty well, you should rail one of our pokerstars league games. I'm in the process of changing my playing style just so I can TRY and change the reads he has on me!


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Lol is this sarcasm? Surely it must be because I am not great at reads!
 
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