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Hi there poker people :)

I am quite new here, so hope my post is a bit oke,

At the moment I play Hyper Turbo HU. I adore these games since they are faced paced and you get a lot of action. Also the bad beats dont hurt so much after a while. The variance is ofcourse high, but thats oke.

However people rarely limp in these tournaments. I still see the benefit of it. After limping and going all-in to a 3x bet with a monster, you can easily scare people with other limps.

Example: You have AK and limp. The oppenent 3 bets. You go all-in.
Other hands you have 72(os) and limp. The oppenent decides to check.

This may sound simple, but it works fine. And remember I am a newbie, so maybe someone already posted something similar :D
Would love to hear your take on this.

Peace, Alexey :cool:
 
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Never limp!!! You have 72 off and opponent raises. Now what?

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There is no sense to limp with weak hands. Most of combinations, that you could get will be weak becouse of your kiker. Also when you are limping the math isnt on your side. However i think, that you could limp with premium hand, if you are sure someone will 3bb and then you will ho all-in. But its also risky, becouse other players could just limp and you will be with premium hand vs 4-5 opponents.
 
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Never limp!!! You have 72 off and opponent raises. Now what?

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not this

limping is a fundimental part of HU sng play. As stack sizes decrease the more important limping is. Read up on "ROFL" ranges, and check out HUsng.com they have a free ebook in there that is well worth a read. But basically it is used as a way to make the most profit out of your entire range. So we raise the top of our range, and the bottom of our range, and we limp a ton of hands in the middle of our range. This is because when we limp with a hand like T9s, we dominate and can stack all of his 9x tx combos which are still in his range since we did not raise, so we can make a ton more value postflop when people overvalue hands too much.
 
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limping is a fundimental part of HU sng play. As stack sizes decrease the more important limping is. Read up on "ROFL" ranges, and check out HUsng.com they have a free ebook in there that is well worth a read. But basically it is used as a way to make the most profit out of your entire range. So we raise the top of our range, and the bottom of our range, and we limp a ton of hands in the middle of our range. This is because when we limp with a hand like T9s, we dominate and can stack all of his 9x tx combos which are still in his range since we did not raise, so we can make a ton more value postflop when people overvalue hands too much.

So the suggestion is to limp only middle-strength hands when stacks are short? Isn't that very exploitable? It seems like villain can just jam over our limps knowing we never have a hand that can call.
 
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So the suggestion is to limp only middle-strength hands when stacks are short? Isn't that very exploitable? It seems like villain can just jam over our limps knowing we never have a hand that can call.

anything is exploitable, it just depends on weather or not our opponant actually knows our range and is capable of exploiting us. it's not just for when stacks are short, you want to be limping from around 15-20bb deep, and against some opponants much earlier too.

But since HU hypers in the lower levels are played vs complete randoms, having a default ROFL range is really important. So yes, it's exploitable like most things in poker, however if your opponant is not exploiting you then who really cares?

And ya sure they can jam over our limps, but the point is we don't just keep limping, we might have to start folding a little more, and then raising more of our range, but then trapping him with limps with stronger hands. So it's just basically having a starting strategy in terms of ROFL ranges in HU, but then adjusting based on you recieving more information about your opponants.

http://www.husng.com/content/husngcom-presents-free-mersenneary-heads-up-poker-ebook

Link to a really handy e-book which explains everything you need to know.
 
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Wow, thanx for your reactions on my first post guys. Its nice to hear your point of view. Also the ebook from husng contains enough valuable information. Then another question: How do you play monster hands? I heard limping was an option, but I also see a lot of players go all-in with Ace high. Would like to hear your opinion about it.

Regards, Alexey
 
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depends on your stack size, and what your opponants tendancies are.

In general i raise the top of my range without reads, with reads that villians attack limps or it's at the stack size where he can jam all in preflop i might limp, but i need a read for it to make sense. Otherwise just raise. In general i don't go all in with monsters, but against good players that can read into what i'm doing, i tend to jam my entire range, but make the bottom of my range look strong like i'm doing it with aces or kings so i can generate more folding equity with those bottom of range hands. Against anyone random, i'd make a small raise to allow them to make more mistakes vs my very strong hand.
 
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I limp it is part of the game but i have one golden rule i limp only with hands i can raise with usually i will limp with low pair in a middle position or somthing like that.
simple has that.
 
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I limp it is part of the game but i have one golden rule i limp only with hands i can raise with usually i will limp with low pair in a middle position or somthing like that.
simple has that.

With limping from middle position you mean 9 player SNG's? With this thread I focus more on HU play. Here it is only the big and small blind competing against eachother. Limping in middle position at a full table ofcourse sounds reasonable.

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limping is a fundimental part of HU sng play. As stack sizes decrease the more important limping is. Read up on "ROFL" ranges, and check out HUsng.com they have a free ebook in there that is well worth a read. But basically it is used as a way to make the most profit out of your entire range. So we raise the top of our range, and the bottom of our range, and we limp a ton of hands in the middle of our range. This is because when we limp with a hand like T9s, we dominate and can stack all of his 9x tx combos which are still in his range since we did not raise, so we can make a ton more value postflop when people overvalue hands too much.

Thank you for your reply. I tried this method and it certainly makes sense. This way when you limp the player has no read on whether you have a strong or a weak hand. I tried this tactic already in a couple of HU's.
 
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It's not really that our opponant has no read on what we're doing, it's more to do with the EV of our entire range and how to work our range to make the most profit with the smallest amount of information.

So when we limp, we do it to see more flops and see flops with a smaller SPR, but limping has the added benefit mentioned above of dominating peoples ranges more and trapping them with a worse TP hand than ours, people find it basically impossible to fold TP in these games, so when we limp with JT, our villian has T4 and the flop contains a T we almost always stack them. Limping allows these situations to happen more frequently than if we were to raise and fold out his calling ranges more.

But again, this is just a base, once we have more info about our opponants we want to be adjusting to take advantage of their weaknesses. Simple example is if he is folding to our min-raises alot, then we don't want to be limping much at all, but if he adjusts later to 3betting more, then we want to start limping, but we should always be looking for ways to exploit our opponants.
 
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Hi there poker people :)

I am quite new here, so hope my post is a bit oke,

At the moment I play Hyper Turbo HU. I adore these games since they are faced paced and you get a lot of action. Also the bad beats dont hurt so much after a while. The variance is ofcourse high, but thats oke.

However people rarely limp in these tournaments. I still see the benefit of it. After limping and going all-in to a 3x bet with a monster, you can easily scare people with other limps.

Example: You have AK and limp. The oppenent 3 bets. You go all-in.
Other hands you have 72(os) and limp. The oppenent decides to check.

This may sound simple, but it works fine. And remember I am a newbie, so maybe someone already posted something similar :D
Would love to hear your take on this.

Peace, Alex ey :cool:
Never limp just raise or fold cuz there are a lot of all ins and limping in this games is just waisting chips!
 
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