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degen909

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o.k. I'm short stacked and basically card dead. 9000 in chips and the blinds are 400-800
I get 9s in the cut-off spot. i raise 2000 with all intention of going all-in. blind raises to 3200 I call. the flop is 8-j-8. I felt pretty confident in this position considering i had a little more than 10 bb left. and shoved. considering my
situation was that the right?:confused:
 
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What was the reason for not just shoving to begin with? With roughly 10 bb's you should be willing to shove any hand you are willing to play. 99 isn't a hand you want to draw players in to.
 
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Sorry man but you should chove pre flop. When the flop came you could be behind to J or even a tree 8
 
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o.k. I'm short stacked and basically card dead. 9000 in chips and the blinds are 400-800
I get 9s in the cut-off spot. i raise 2000 with all intention of going all-in. blind raises to 3200 I call. the flop is 8-j-8. I felt pretty confident in this position considering i had a little more than 10 bb left. and shoved. considering my
situation was that the right?:confused:

Like the above posters are saying you could've shoved instantly pre-flop - but that is necessarily not the best play. The way you played it can be great, and is reffered to as the "stop and go play".

First option: Shove pre --> Gives you a descent amount of fold equity and a good chance to steal the blinds.

Second option: Stop and go play --> Call his raise and hereby get more money in the pot, and force your opponent to make -ev decisions.

Advantage of the play you made is that you get more money in the pot, but you decrease your fold equity - but if your opponent doesn't hit the flop you put him to a decision where, if he calls he makes a -ev.

This is all very situation dependant. If you have a tight image i would suggest the stop and go play - loose image I would suggest shove pre.

Hope this helps
 
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Right move in preflop all in u need, but in your situation when you call preflop,
you have any flop call shove, because the BB can be a wide range.
 
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The stop and go can be a viable play, but you'll want to consider that many flops will look worse than this one. Plus when you get called, it won't be by worse very often.
 
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4bet shove preflop, 99 is a big hand.
 
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Villain is actually 3-betting you very light, so you might be able to get him to fold if you 4-bet shove. That would be the best scenario for you. No need to flip and increase your stack by 1/3
 
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Agreed, commit to the hand pre, you really can't bet/fold with 10-11bbs. And I agree with Arjonus about this being a questionable place to stop-and-go, but it is situational and you don't give info on villain.

Villain is actually 3-betting you very light, so you might be able to get him to fold if you 4-bet shove. That would be the best scenario for you. No need to flip and increase your stack by 1/3
Can't see many players 3-bet/folding against a stack this short unless hero has been a regular nitfish. That's highly spewy.
 
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Shove pre! Because we dont want someone flatting some small aces or QJ and hitting the flop. That flop we have to get the rest chips in.
 
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I think it's OK to open for 2.5x hoping to get a little action...the risk there is that the flop will come with 2 or 3 overcards and you have to fold...

but once he 3 bets you that is a gift, he has erased the worry of having to fold on a terrible flop because now he has given you the simple option of 4Betting all in preflop.

Either way though, on that flop with just 1 over you'd have to go in anyways....so if you open raised and he just flatted and then the flop came J88 I'd still say jam....

I wonder, what was your rationale for flatting his 3Bet?
 
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Agreed, commit to the hand pre, you really can't bet/fold with 10-11bbs. And I agree with Arjonus about this being a questionable place to stop-and-go, but it is situational and you don't give info on villain.


Can't see many players 3-bet/folding against a stack this short unless hero has been a regular nitfish. That's highly spewy.

Sure, I agree....but we're not trying to get him to fold...we're trying to get our whole stack in and villain gave us a beautiful chance to do it
 
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Agreed, commit to the hand pre, you really can't bet/fold with 10-11bbs. And I agree with Arjonus about this being a questionable place to stop-and-go, but it is situational and you don't give info on villain.
A consideration I didn't mention before favoring the 4bet shove pre- is that you won't always get to execute the stop and go since the opponent acts before you on the flop and will bet into you some of the time.
 
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o.k. I'm short stacked and basically card dead. 9000 in chips and the blinds are 400-800
I get 9s in the cut-off spot. i raise 2000 with all intention of going all-in. blind raises to 3200 I call. the flop is 8-j-8. I felt pretty confident in this position considering i had a little more than 10 bb left. and shoved. considering my
situation was that the right?:confused:

Probably with 10 bb it is just a shove pre flop with 9's. I know you'd like to see the board texture before putting your tournament life on the line, but I think that line just prices more people into your pot. And more people means a bigger chance of getting coolered. Just ship it and let the chips fall where they may.
 
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I would have re-raised to all in. I agree with others that you don't want to face too many players when you have 9-9.
 
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