QQ in the first hand against 2 all ins

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First hand of a 10c 360 man SNG. I'm dealt QQ in the BB. UTG shoves. I have enough hand history on him to know that he is extremely loose. One person from MP calls. No history on him. What is the correct play in this situation?
 
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In the early stage of sng or Mtt its not wise to go all-in unless yo got AA especially when you got no history on MP.It was an easy fold.But as you were saying it was only 10c sng, lots of player tend to play very loose maybe you could open up a bit and make the call.
 
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easy shove because everyone sucks at this stakes.
 
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Im folding this one.
 
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It is a definite call from me especially today since I was extremely lucky and found an empty beer bottle on my way home from the coffee shop after buying a $5 latte.
The bottle is worth 10 cents so if I lose I am still even for the day. Except for the latte of course. :)
 
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I accept and depending on floop I raise the stakes. QQ is a very strong hand before the flop ...
 
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easy shove because everyone sucks at this stakes.

So in essence you just said the OP sucks because he is playing those stakes. Nice.

As to the question. I guess it depends on whether or not it matters to you about going out early or not. Good opportunity to triple up and wait out some other crazies if you call. Personally I call and if I lose oh well, not much time nor money spent.
 
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So in essence you just said the OP sucks because he is playing those stakes. Nice.

I don't see any reason to play in this high variance donkfest. If problem with bankroll, OP can start playing 0.25$ 45man SNG at least, $10 is quite enough.
 
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I'd just shove. Expect to see 99 and AJ at these stakes. Most times, anyway.
 
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2 all ins being one looser and you have QQ ... i don´t see a reason to fold just because it is the 1st hand .... actually the opposite.
 
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10 cent sng ... calling all day with QQ preflop.
 
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In a 10c SNG I call easily. Like someone else said, it is what it is, a total donkfest. No time wasted if you bust, and an early triple up to wield against the maniacs early if you win.
But if I was playing a big tournament with a much larger buy in, I fold, by a slim margin. I would rather find other spots to get my money in with more information and without leaving my tourney fate up to chance. There is really only 3 hands you don't want to see AA, KK, AK. But alot of hands you could be up against 3 way could still have you as less than 50% equity. Not worth the risk for a triple up in my opinion.
 
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I don't see any reason to play in this high variance donkfest. If problem with bankroll, OP can start playing 0.25$ 45man SNG at least, $10 is quite enough.

I would play those if they were available in turbo. The 45 man takes more than 2 hours to complete and I don't like multi-tabling.
 
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I'd just shove. Expect to see 99 and AJ at these stakes. Most times, anyway.

This time it was 95o and ATs. The AT guy hit an ace on the turn and won.
 
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This time it was 95o and ATs. The AT guy hit an ace on the turn and won.
Classic.

I very rarely run into someone with AA or KK, but it happens.

It's not a terrible idea to just shove AA or KK early in a tourney yourself, because no one expects it. If you're at a table of thinkers or players with trash hands, they'll all fold and no value, though. :(

I've actually done it myself a couple times and got paid off and sucked out on. That's just how it goes!

Works really well if you're at a table with maniacs shoving left and right. They'll just think your shove is like one of the others.
 
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your hand is really the winning of course

bet preflop 4xBB turn pot value and river value pot or all-in , in the knowledge that your hand is really the winning of course
 
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Auto call. No point in fold QQ preflop in a microstakes SNG tourney.
The exepction is if you have a huge history on a player and he is ultra-mega tight. Anything else - call.
 
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10 cent sng ... calling all day with QQ preflop.
I'm calling with 22 at those stakes.
Why is the buy-in a factor in this? If the buy-in was $100 and you had the same players on the table and the action was the same, do you still call QQ here or do you fold? If you fold, why? Does QQ have less of a chance at winning in a $100 buy-in vs a .10?

If your argument is there are a lot of bad players in .10 MTTs, this is true, but there are also very bad players at all limits. Some just have deeper pockets than others. However, we are not teaching OP anything if we're telling him to base his decisions on what the buy-in is. If you're calling all-in with 22 against 2 other players at a .10 buy-in, then you could do the same thing at a $100 buy-in, right? Whats the difference? Your bankroll and what you are risking. Sure, it's easy to say call all-in with ATC in a .10 MTT when your BR is at $500 because your risk is minuscule. What if OP's bankroll is only .60 and .10 games are the only games he can play? Then the buy-in a big deal to this player and they want to make sure they're making the right decision.
 
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It makes no sense to throw QQ . With AA and KK, too, can lose. This is a high pocket pair, and you should not ignore it.
 
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10 cent game? Yeh I know youre not suppose to play any different based on $ theoretically, but I cant fold for 10 cents.

If this is a 1k event, QQ is never good here
 
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10 cent game? Yeh I know youre not suppose to play any different based on $ theoretically, but I cant fold for 10 cents.

If this is a 1k event, QQ is never good here
Is it never good here because of the buy-in difference? Are you seeing everyone is only shoving KK+ preflop in 1k buy-in MTTs, but never in .10 games? So, you should always fold QQ if the buy-in is high, but always call if it's a .10 game?

Again, your risk is relative to your BR. So, if you can't fold QQ in a .10 game because it's <1% of your BR, then you should be able say the same for a 1k buy-in game if you're risk is also <1% of your BR in the exact same situation.

Yes, I agree, for most players, calling an all-in with QQ in a .10 is a no brainer because the risk is usually minuscule, but it's all relative to that players BR. Calling an all-in in a $100 buy-in (more common than 1k buy-in) might be a harder decision if it's a significant amount of money, so you might not want to take that risk and wait for a better spot. However, a player with a $500K BR might say, 'It's only a $100. Easy call with QQ." You might disagree because your BR is only $5K, but it's still all relative.

We should be teaching others how to make +EV decisions based on information given and not what the buy-in is. What if OP just has loads of cash, deposited $10K and hopped into a $200 buy-in MTT and came into this situation. How would the replies differ and would the buy-in be a major factor?
 
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Again, your risk is relative to your BR. So, if you can't fold QQ in a .10 game because it's <1% of your BR, then you should be able say the same for a 1k buy-in game if you're risk is also <1% of your BR in the exact same situation.

Yes, I agree, for most players, calling an all-in with QQ in a .10 is a no brainer because the risk is usually minuscule, but it's all relative to that players BR. Calling an all-in in a $100 buy-in (more common than 1k buy-in) might be a harder decision if it's a significant amount of money, so you might not want to take that risk and wait for a better spot. However, a player with a $500K BR might say, 'It's only a $100. Easy call with QQ." You might disagree because your BR is only $5K, but it's still all relative.

We should be teaching others how to make +EV decisions based on information given and not what the buy-in is. What if OP just has loads of cash, deposited $10K and hopped into a $200 buy-in MTT and came into this situation. How would the replies differ and would the buy-in be a major factor?

Philthy, I agree with you 100%, ones willingness to take the risk is relative to their bankroll. I also agree that their are bad players with deep pockets at all stakes. However, players are exceptionally bad at the micros and if QQ can often get in with around 60-70% equity, I am taking that chance. Even if I have less than $1.00 to roll. For most willing to shove on the first hand at the micros, all it takes is AT+, 22+. If you run into two foes that have Ax, even better as they each are holding each others outs and could be drawing very thin.

However, at higher stakes, in your example $100+ tourneys I think it is easier to lay it down and live to play poker in future hands. You just aren't going to see guys shoving 95o as often at these stakes (Ive been away since Black Friday, so maybe I am wrong, and if so I need to deposit and get back to playing tourneys that pay the bills). I think you are much more likely to run into AQ+, JJ+ in this spot leaving you with worse odds and an easier fold.
 
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Easy call.

I believe we are ahead since at this stake, its a donkfest.

If bad beat, well, thats online poker.
 
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Defo fold for me...............Thats if you want to survive. Guarenteed one of them has nothing the other probably not so sure. If you want to cash you fold. Simples. :D:D:D
 
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