QQ and getting 4 bet

8k GTD tournament.
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We are on the final table bubble,
Blinds are 5-10k, HJ raises to 22k im on the button with Q

Q

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i have the chip lead over 300k, i 3 bet to 50k, small blind which is the tighest player of the table shoves all in on SB for almost 200k.
Take note that this guy is a very tight player, he only raises premium hands.
What do you do here?

If I was on the bubble I would have folded the Queens and said I'm hoping you were stronger than QQ. He might reply. Besides, I'm getting into the money with $250k to play with.

This is a very player dependent spot, but this isn’t just a 4 bet it’s a cold 4bet. With a nit, at best you’re facing AK and at worst KK+. A player who’s playing a wide range and/or a player who’s capable of making a bluff here you may want to call.

QQ strong enough hand, I play all-in

There is an obvious call for me, further, I would look at the game of the opponents and the flop. Losing 50k with a 300K stack is a small loss if a high flop comes out.

I would fold in this situation. I agree that you are either dominated by AA, KK or flipping with AK for 2/3 your stack. Also if it is the bubble then my guess is he has KK+ because that s a big shove for AK. I know its a tough spot with good cards but you have to trust your reads.

swoopdonk said:

If I was on the bubble I would have folded the Queens and said I'm hoping you were stronger than QQ. He might reply. Besides, I'm getting into the money with $250k to play with.

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In this situation I complete agree with this reply. Save your money or check it and whatever happens:hmmmm2:

vox1er said:

8k GTD tournament.
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We are on the final table bubble,
Blinds are 5-10k, HJ raises to 22k im on the button with Q

Q

,
i have the chip lead over 300k, i 3 bet to 50k, small blind which is the tighest player of the table shoves all in on SB for almost 200k.
Take note that this guy is a very tight player, he only raises premium hands.
What do you do here?

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Are you already ITM? Or is the final table also the Money bubble?


I guess we are short handed (5-6 handed?!) so QQ is a really strong Hand.
The 4x 4bet shove Looks like AK/AQ. but if you have a good read that he has KK/AA, fold and don't tell anyone.


I think I would not be able to fold QQ here without further stats on SB

I think you answered your own question.

A very tight player goes all-in for his tournament life after some strong action before him. I also think his worst hand is AK.

You call, you are not at risk and just maybe he is changing up his game. It is not a bad call, do it.

I would fold in this situation. The opponent plays only on premium hands, which means he can have AA, KK or just AK on his hands. Since you were on the bubble, there was no point in risking, especially since you had a good stack and you could wait a bit and compete for high places. You absolutely correct made 3 bet, with that you checked the cards of your opponents.

dimon4ik89 said:

I would fold in this situation. The opponent plays only on premium hands, which means he can have AA, KK or just AK on his hands. Since you were on the bubble, there was no point in risking, especially since you had a good stack and you could wait a bit and compete for high places. You absolutely correct made 3 bet, with that you checked the cards of your opponents.

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Good logic, I gave the opposite advice, maybe that is why I am not doing very well in these tournaments. I will heed your advice next time.

vox1er said:

8k GTD tournament.
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We are on the final table bubble,
Blinds are 5-10k, HJ raises to 22k im on the button with Q

Q

,
i have the chip lead over 300k, i 3 bet to 50k, small blind which is the tighest player of the table shoves all in on SB for almost 200k.
Take note that this guy is a very tight player, he only raises premium hands.
What do you do here?

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Before you decided there what is gonna be, did you ask yourself what were impression of yourself in this tourney, were you too agro, chip lead usually refers to Yes. So if you 3 bet, raised to often to this guy there is option 1, that he just got sick of it and decided to push you out of the hand that barely started. However, what's more likely is option 2 that you kinda knew that you are about to go against AK or better. 150 k to go for a pot around 450 k, well the math is simple, call and pray not to see Kings or Aces in his hand lol

He might be a nit but he has 20'bbs

He might think you the "chipleader' is trying to put pressure on the table, He doesnt always have to have AA KK AK in that spot,

I think he could have 66+ AJ QK suited, I think while you're the chipleader and you hold QQ i think you should call the all-in by the nit.

I would lean call in this stop as well. Hoping his range is wider than AA, KK or AK in that spot.

Both options still give you a good chance to win the tournament. Good spot to be in.

manzanillo53 said:

Good logic, I gave the opposite advice, maybe that is why I am not doing very well in these tournaments. I will heed your advice next time.

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Thanks you. I tried several strategies in similar situations, and came to the conclusion that it is better not to take risks, because poker has dispersion. Good luck

In my opinion you go all in, first of all even if you lose the hand you're not out of the tournament, and second you know what they say: "In poker tournaments, if you want to live you must be willing to die"

well even if he's got the rockets, theres still 2 more queens in the pack and maybe some other outs depending on the cards, so all things considered, I'm pretty sure I would call. Just my 2c lol

I fold. Agree with poster at best nit has AK or even QQ and worse is AA KK. Range is narrow and not in your favour. Too many chips to risk at the bubble. If this was a very short stacked player who is not tight or loose than the range will be much wider and I call

Personally, I would fold and retain the chip lead for a better situation later. If I end up cashing, all good. If not, I'd question this play for days.

What did you end up doing? I would call here, simply because the reward for winning would put me in a position to win the tournament, which is what I'd be going for.

vox1er said:

Take note that this guy is a very tight player, he only raises premium hands.

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Yeah, unlikely. Those are probably the hands you were able to observe because they went to showdown. Besides it doesn't matter if the SB is tight, it matters if you and the HJ are from his perspective.

It boils down to "what does the SB think is MY range?"

• The SB knows that the HJ has a very wide range to open
• The SB knows that the BTN can 3bet light here because the HJ is probably opening light

Therefore, the SB doesn't need KK+, AK here to shove profitably. He'll probably use TT+, AJs+, AQ+

So, easy call with QQ.

I don’t really want to play a coin on the bubble, you can fold and AA. Dispersion is not always on our side. For the sake of the final table, you can sometimes throw premium hands. Perhaps this distinguishes the best players from the good.

and then after all that a Q flops

In ICM spots you need to add a risk factor to your minimum equity required to make a call. Here it could be up to +20% if he's the 2nd stack. Count for yourself what equity you need against his pushing range, keeping in mind he's a nit. I would fold, unless it's bounty tournament.