QQ: Call or Fold in 6 handed SNG - DON

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I think it is very easy to fold QQ here with 4 left, 3 winners in a double or nothing SNG. Doesn't every matter what the all in player's range is.

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What! Theres no way you fold that! If you do then your one of the worst ever.... Sadly Most people on this forum give wrong advice like the person above.

Even you like to play way to safe, you must play this. Its not touney where you have beat 500 people and sitting in the last couple tables left to play extra conservative.
Anyway tomorrow i will be posting poker tips from own.
 
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Maybe work on your reading comprehension before posting those tips. This is a DoN tourney and as soon as the next person busts the tourney is over and the top 3 are all paid the same. The guy who shoved almost has us covered and the guy in the bb has less than 4bb left after this hand (assuming he folds). We should also fold AA in the same situation. Really looking forward to reading those tips though.
 
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Fold since the big blind has a little over 1/3 of your chip stack, and less than 4 bbs after putting in the blind. Only way you are a big favorite is if your opponent has an underpair, and if you are facing a hand like A6, you aren't a huge favorite and can easily lose if an Ace hits. If he calls and doubles up, you wouldn't be the short stack. That would be the player who shoved in 1st position.
 
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What! Theres no way you fold that! If you do then your one of the worst ever.... Sadly Most people on this forum give wrong advice like the person above.

Even you like to play way to safe, you must play this. Its not touney where you have beat 500 people and sitting in the last couple tables left to play extra conservative.
Anyway tomorrow i will be posting Poker tips from own.

Super easy fold, like WVH said. But, yeah, gonna be waiting for those tips. (Ooops, no wait, that was more of WVH and his "wrong advice".....Man I HATE IT when he does that;) ).
 
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I actually disagree with all of you on this one. I understand exactly where you are coming from with your points on folding. To me this is a call here for a few reasons. First , hero and all in raiser are very short themselves. If the short stack were to double up after we fold here, then all 3 players r virtually even in chips. We can't afford to play safe here and wait as the blinds are going up again very soon. If the stack sizes were different, such as the all in raiser and player 3 each had 5000, then I would agree with a fold seeing as how 3 ppl cash. But given these stacks I snap call here. Another big reason we call here is bc many of the hands the all in raiser goes in with he is drawing dead to 2 or 3 outs against qq. This is a must call.
 
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Fold dem queens preflop. Player one doubles or is out, that is your target.
 
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Yep really easy fold. Still waiting on Xamanus's "tips" though so that we can correct WVH's errant thinking:D. That WVH, such a noob, always making silly suggestions:D :rolleyes:
 
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What! Theres no way you fold that! If you do then your one of the worst ever...< I'm one of the worst then (good to see I'm not alone though... fortunately there's some other uber-donks here too!). Sadly Most people on this forum give wrong advice like the person above. < agree with this part here though... obviously WVH guy is a drooler (prolly only plays Facebook & Pogo pokerzz)
Anyway tomorrow i will be posting Poker tips from own.
Lookin' forward to the tips! What format will they be for? (I'm hoping it's DoNs)
 
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I actually disagree with all of you on this one. I understand exactly where you are coming from with your points on folding. To me this is a call here for a few reasons. First , hero and all in raiser are very short themselves. If the short stack were to double up after we fold here, then all 3 players r virtually even in chips. We can't afford to play safe here and wait as the blinds are going up again very soon. If the stack sizes were different, such as the all in raiser and player 3 each had 5000, then I would agree with a fold seeing as how 3 ppl cash. But given these stacks I snap call here. Another big reason we call here is bc many of the hands the all in raiser goes in with he is drawing dead to 2 or 3 outs against qq. This is a must call.
I love guys like you when I'm stuck in BB's spot here (so basically we up his tourney equity by a gazillion percent?)
 
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I actually disagree with all of you on this one. I understand exactly where you are coming from with your points on folding. To me this is a call here for a few reasons. First , hero and all in raiser are very short themselves. If the short stack were to double up after we fold here, then all 3 players r virtually even in chips. We can't afford to play safe here and wait as the blinds are going up again very soon. If the stack sizes were different, such as the all in raiser and player 3 each had 5000, then I would agree with a fold seeing as how 3 ppl cash. But given these stacks I snap call here. Another big reason we call here is bc many of the hands the all in raiser goes in with he is drawing dead to 2 or 3 outs against qq. This is a must call.
Show me the calculation that says getting it in here is going to have better expectation than folding (in $ev not cev).
 
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Instant fold? i would love to play you guys some day.
 
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Instant fold? i would love to play you guys some day.

Show me the calculation that says getting it in here is going to have better expectation than folding (in $ev not cev).
 
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Instant fold? i would love to play you guys some day.

Still waiting on your "tips". Make them DoN-centered, please, since you obv have such a strong grasp of the game:rolleyes: .
 
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It is without doubt an instant fold..

Ive seen two 25k stacks going at eachother with AK and AQ before on the bubble, with one guy sitting there with 2k, blinded out next blind..unbelievable...

WIth a guy on 2k, and 3 others on say, 20k, i'd fold AA if they shove, **** me its just a PAIR.
 
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Still waiting on your "tips". Make them DoN-centered, please, since you obv have such a strong grasp of the game:rolleyes: .

What tips do you want, ill create a new thread for you
 
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What tips do you want, ill create a new thread for you

Can't wait. Like I said, DoN theory. Let us know when it's ready. I'm sure there are several people here who'll just love to look it over.
 
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If u fold qq here what hands do u play?
 
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If u fold qq here what hands do u play?

None. Basic DoN theory. Also why these games can be profitable. Many people who actually understand poker a fair amount are pretty clueless when it comes to DoNs.
 
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None. Basic DoN theory. Also why these games can be profitable. Many people who actually understand poker a fair amount are pretty clueless when it comes to DoNs.

Are you sure AA is a fold?
 
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