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paulyd
Rock Star
Silver Level
http://www.pushfoldcharts.com/fullring/
I have quite a bit of questions about this and in general push/fold.
1. Is playing push/fold according to this chart going to be unexploitable? I had read this is the case.
2. Do you consider these charts to be a bit tight? Example, they do it for 10bb, 8bb, 6bb, 5bb, 4bb, 3bb and 2bb. First off... isn't anything thats 5bb and under pretty much close to the same? I mean looking at the chart, even at 5bb if you are utg minimum hand to shove UTG is 109s. I mean... shouldn't shoving 98s be pretty much automatic here as well? I would say the chart for 10bb and 8bb looks right though im not a math person but i feel like its way too tight at 5bb and under. I mean... are ppl really suppose to not shove certain hands at 6bb as oppose to 3bb or 4bb compared to 2bb? To me, anything thats 5bb and under is pretty much the sa
3. I see at 10bb, if you are utg for example, you are shoving any pair, any ace suited, 109s etc. However... what if you have say 12bb or 15bb utg? To me, any pair shoving all in utg is right up to 15bb even 22. Right or wrong? Also... would A2s be a shoving hand UTG with 12bb? What about 15bb? I feel like pairs you can shove utg with 15bb... but with a2s... its not. Also 109s and J10s would be a fold. However... i feel that KQs would be a shove at 15bb. Or should all of these hands be treated the same as any pocket pair and AK etc? I feel like its good to shove 15bb if you are MP with A2s and 109s and 98s. However... early position, i don't. Thoughts on this? Also would shoving 77 or J10s with say 18bb in MP be standard? I seen quite a bit of players do this at 180 mans where they just open shove as oppose to min raise. The thing is you are risking 18bb to win 2.3bb or so but then again you dont want to min raise with 77 then have to call an all in where you are going to be at best 50/50 unless they are doing this with 22-66. Thing is chart only shows up to 10bb... so is basically it the same as 12bb, 15bb, 18bb or even 20bb? Because i stopped shoving all in UTG with 15bb with say A2s now. However, no issue doing this with 77. But at 18bb... would doing this with 77 still be reckless? Because well someone can have monster and you could min raise then fold. However... what do you do with 22-66 then with 12bb stack, 15bb stack, 18bb stack or 20bb utg or utg+1? I just have hard time folding pocket pair in EP. Usually i just min raise fold unless the reshover has small stack.
4. Related to question 3. But I read a while back you can shove up to 20bb with any pocket pair and its profitable. Thus if you shove 22 UTG with 20bb, its profitable. Is that statement still true or false? That seems to be a bit reckless to me. Even doing this with say 77 or 88 I think its a bit loose. For me it would be a raise then fold if someone with big stack comes over the top.
I have quite a bit of questions about this and in general push/fold.
1. Is playing push/fold according to this chart going to be unexploitable? I had read this is the case.
2. Do you consider these charts to be a bit tight? Example, they do it for 10bb, 8bb, 6bb, 5bb, 4bb, 3bb and 2bb. First off... isn't anything thats 5bb and under pretty much close to the same? I mean looking at the chart, even at 5bb if you are utg minimum hand to shove UTG is 109s. I mean... shouldn't shoving 98s be pretty much automatic here as well? I would say the chart for 10bb and 8bb looks right though im not a math person but i feel like its way too tight at 5bb and under. I mean... are ppl really suppose to not shove certain hands at 6bb as oppose to 3bb or 4bb compared to 2bb? To me, anything thats 5bb and under is pretty much the sa
3. I see at 10bb, if you are utg for example, you are shoving any pair, any ace suited, 109s etc. However... what if you have say 12bb or 15bb utg? To me, any pair shoving all in utg is right up to 15bb even 22. Right or wrong? Also... would A2s be a shoving hand UTG with 12bb? What about 15bb? I feel like pairs you can shove utg with 15bb... but with a2s... its not. Also 109s and J10s would be a fold. However... i feel that KQs would be a shove at 15bb. Or should all of these hands be treated the same as any pocket pair and AK etc? I feel like its good to shove 15bb if you are MP with A2s and 109s and 98s. However... early position, i don't. Thoughts on this? Also would shoving 77 or J10s with say 18bb in MP be standard? I seen quite a bit of players do this at 180 mans where they just open shove as oppose to min raise. The thing is you are risking 18bb to win 2.3bb or so but then again you dont want to min raise with 77 then have to call an all in where you are going to be at best 50/50 unless they are doing this with 22-66. Thing is chart only shows up to 10bb... so is basically it the same as 12bb, 15bb, 18bb or even 20bb? Because i stopped shoving all in UTG with 15bb with say A2s now. However, no issue doing this with 77. But at 18bb... would doing this with 77 still be reckless? Because well someone can have monster and you could min raise then fold. However... what do you do with 22-66 then with 12bb stack, 15bb stack, 18bb stack or 20bb utg or utg+1? I just have hard time folding pocket pair in EP. Usually i just min raise fold unless the reshover has small stack.
4. Related to question 3. But I read a while back you can shove up to 20bb with any pocket pair and its profitable. Thus if you shove 22 UTG with 20bb, its profitable. Is that statement still true or false? That seems to be a bit reckless to me. Even doing this with say 77 or 88 I think its a bit loose. For me it would be a raise then fold if someone with big stack comes over the top.