Push/Fold Chart Instructions

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I'm wondering how to read the push/fold charts. The one I'm looking at, for example, shows a column for number of players (8 through SB) but it doesn't explain how to count the players. Does that column mean players left to act? Or which seat you are in? Do you have to be first in the pot (vigorish)? What about hands that have callers or raisers before you? Basically, I just don't know what the assumptions are in the chart and it doesn't say anywhere on that site.
 
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I would like to see a chart")
 
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Post link to the chart.

It might be easier to explain if I can see it.
 
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Small blind acts first then BB.... and the dealer is the last one to act
 
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As you can possibly see the lower the number the wider the ranges. So yes, the number means players left to act.
It's another thing when the pot is already raised. The chart is calculated by a computer, so it's pure math. If somebody already raised then you can narrow his range, but for that you need a completely new chart and information about the raiser.
So the charts work at it's best when the pot isn't opened yet.
 
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Small blind acts first then BB.... and the dealer is the last one to act

Not in preflop when the actual push fold takes place. Then the blinds acts last, UTG first. Thats important because when a push is called there is no post flop.
 
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Ok. The numbers are the number of players left to act behind you.

So, if we look at full ring, 8 players, this means you're UTG and have 8 players to act behind you. With 10 BBs, that the range of hands you should be open shoving w/ or w/o antes from that posistion. If there are 2 players behind you, then you're on the BTN.

You'll notice that the less players behind you, the wider your push range gets.

Keep in mind this chart is only when you're opening the action. It doesn't take into account you calling a shove.
 
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Thank you, guys, for helping me with this. I tried to use it tonight for the first time and it worked pretty good. Went from 2,500 chips to 17,000 in 3 hands.

So my next question is, if you don't get to be first in, and you have something towards the bottom of the range, do you just keep waiting until you are first? I guess so, otherwise you'd never get down to the bottom of the BB range.

And what do you do if there is a big stack limper in front of you? Can you just add a player to the number of those remaining to act? Or should you keep waiting to be first and have the right range for your remaining BBs?

Anyway, even though it worked great tonight, I don't think I'll ever cash in these ACR $10 freerolls. After cracking the top 10, I tried to trap someone who looked like they were also using these tables when I got AA. It worked great, he went all-in for 8,000, I called and he got a flush on the river. Then the next hand I got it in good and lost to another flush. It was entertaining, though. :)
 
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I'm wondering how to read the push/fold charts. The one I'm looking at, for example, shows a column for number of players (8 through SB) but it doesn't explain how to count the players. Does that column mean players left to act? Or which seat you are in? Do you have to be first in the pot (vigorish)? What about hands that have callers or raisers before you? Basically, I just don't know what the assumptions are in the chart and it doesn't say anywhere on that site.

I'am playing push/fold in according to situation. Next thing what my decide based on:
- my stack size
- opponent stack size
- tournament level (how near bubble)
- if I'am 2\3 stack risk or more, what prizes could I win
 
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I always stick to 66+KQ+A10 just to keep it simple to remember.But if you got lesser than 6 bb any suited connector,A rags,K suited should do.
 
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push/fold charts are a good learning tool, but you have to make sure you have the correct one for the format you are playing. Ideally you want to make your own in SNG wizard or ICMizer so you can input more specific tailored ranges for your games.

But again, these are only a learning tool and you should not just follow them blindly, you want to still use common sense and adjust ranges accordingly.

A good way to do this is lets say you are deciding to shove into loose players who call too much, make sure you shove 1-2 ranges tighter. Flipside if you have tight players, make sure you shove 1-3 ranges wider or wider again depending. Like if you are in the SB facing a nit, just jam ATC and be happy with it, don't make a fold with 82o because the chart says to fold that hand, jam it anyways.
 
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Thank you, guys, for helping me with this. I tried to use it tonight for the first time and it worked pretty good. Went from 2,500 chips to 17,000 in 3 hands.

So my next question is, if you don't get to be first in, and you have something towards the bottom of the range, do you just keep waiting until you are first? I guess so, otherwise you'd never get down to the bottom of the BB range.
just jam a tighter range bc of the player who has entered the pot, if they have limped and you have seen them limp/fold a bunch, shove a slightly tighter range, if they have raised you generally want to be 3betting value type hands only, unless you know the player raise/folds a lot and he raises too many hands.
And what do you do if there is a big stack limper in front of you? Can you just add a player to the number of those remaining to act? Or should you keep waiting to be first and have the right range for your remaining BBs?
same as above, but slightly tighter as he is likely to call you wider. sometimes you can't wait for the opportuniuty to be first in, so you just have to assess the situation and try and pick a spot like the ones mentioned above.
Anyway, even though it worked great tonight, I don't think I'll ever cash in these ACR $10 freerolls. After cracking the top 10, I tried to trap someone who looked like they were also using these tables when I got AA. It worked great, he went all-in for 8,000, I called and he got a flush on the river. Then the next hand I got it in good and lost to another flush. It was entertaining, though. :)

poker is a lot about common sense, try to see what players are doing and use that information against them. if someone is tight, punish them for doing so, if someone is loose, loosen your value range, and tighten your shoving ranges.
 
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can please somebody explain a little more about this chart... i am a fish
 
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can please somebody explain a little more about this chart... i am a fish

First, do not call yourself fish. If you continue, you will fish all your career.
Second, chart is a variate of cards you get (your pocket hands)
For example, now I will call my chart of pre flop all in call :
AA, KK, AKs
 
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thanks for the chart :)

However good and skilled players changed their charts in according to situation. Spending a lot of time for the cash and MTT poker, I can say, chart is not so useful like tables and opponents adapting. I mean that if you know when and how you can pushed or just bluffed your fish opponent (or strong opponent, I highly recommended do not bluff in calling station fishes) charts no longer be SO needed.
 
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Its easy. Taking from a little - expand your range. Taking from large - narrow down the range. Pusa in small - expand. Push in a long - narrow down.
 
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