Procrastination in MTT

smihailov · Jan 11, 2014

I prefer to play cash, but some times register in tournaments - mostly in freerolls and in with not very big buy-in but with a life changing prizes like main events in Micromillions and Sunday storm.
In the freerolls I don`t play the first 5-10 hands even if I have AA and after that start playing aggressively till I double my stack and after that slowing the action - play very little of my hands mostly that I am ready to go all-in with. When I am saying "slowing the action" I mean to let my time expire and hand to be folded automatically. Is that right or i should play normally? With that strategy I am managing to get to the money 4 and maybe 5 from 10 tourneys but never reach final table.
In the buy-in tourneys I play very slow and with hands that I am ready to go all-in and I get to the money very rare. Very often busted with AA or KK.
My question is is it right to lag the play and to wait more people to be busted?

rifflemao · Jan 11, 2014

smihailov said:
I prefer to play cash, but some times register in tournaments - mostly in freerolls and in with not very big buy-in but with a life changing prizes like main events in Micromillions and Sunday storm.
In the freerolls I don`t play the first 5-10 hands even if I have AA and after that start playing aggressively till I double my stack and after that slowing the action - play very little of my hands mostly that I am ready to go all-in with. When I am saying "slowing the action" I mean to let my time expire and hand to be folded automatically. Is that right or i should play normally? With that strategy I am managing to get to the money 4 and maybe 5 from 10 tourneys but never reach final table.
In the buy-in tourneys I play very slow and with hands that I am ready to go all-in and I get to the money very rare. Very often busted with AA or KK.
My question is is it right to lag the play and to wait more people to be busted?

It's common for players to ride the clock near and on the bubble, but you shouldn't be doing that long before.

It seems like you are *gaming the game* in a way that is not very profitable for you long term, and you are missing value by not playing (or slow-playing) strong hands.

You are not yet playing to win, and are probably annoying the table by abusing your time-bank. Maybe that's part of your strategy too, but you should really want your game to evolve from that.

smihailov · Jan 12, 2014

I can see the point in your post, but you know, in the freerolls many people play trash hands preflop witch beats monster hands to the river and it`s very hard to outplay somebody. So if i play around 60 hands before the bubble and use my whole time bank with 15 seconds per hand and maybe up to 1 minute if move through all streets there are about 20 minutes more surviving in the game. At pokerstars freerolls this means 2000 people more busted and this guarantee ITM very often. Also this embarrass the other players on the table and they get nervous so they can make mistakes.

Arjonius · Jan 12, 2014

This is a ridiculous strategy. The goal in an MTT isn't to last longer; it's to finish high and even win. To do this, you have to accumulate chips. Using up your time on every hand means you play fewer hands, which means you have fewer chances to accumulate chips.

Even near the bubble, slowing down the play is usually sub-optimal.

Quit trying to outsmart the game structure and learn to play poker instead.

IPlay · Jan 12, 2014

Reading this made me tilt.

This strategy is not good OP and like Arjonius said, it gives you less chance to accumulate chips so you are going into the bubble short stacked and probably have no chance of clearing and probably get blinded out alot.

bushy_lufc · Jan 12, 2014

Wow just wow you are that guy at the table every body would punch in person. Would you really do this live? Go for the win what is the point in min cash 4 or 5 times out of 10 that wont even often give profit?!?!

smihailov · Jan 12, 2014

bushy_lufc said:
Wow just wow you are that guy at the table every body would punch in person. Would you really do this live? Go for the win what is the point in min cash 4 or 5 times out of 10 that wont even often give profit?!?!

You are damn right. If I play 200 tourneys and win min prize in 100 of them the profit is less than reaching final table of just one, not even winning it. So I will start play tourneys like cash games.

Propane Goat · Jan 12, 2014

smihailov said:
You are damn right. If I play 200 tourneys and win min prize in 100 of them the profit is less than reaching final table of just one, not even winning it. So I will start play tourneys like cash games.

Tourneys =/= cash games.

Seriously, just fold your crap hands immediately, be patient, and flog the hell out of your monster hands whenever you get them.

Using max time on every hand/street is the worst thing you can do, it might seem like a good idea at first because the blinds hit you less but you also have less chances to get that hand which will double or triple you up. You're basically turning your table into a turbo/super turbo by reducing the number of hands you see per level. This is also lame poker, if I had some kind of computer kill switch I could send to players who do this I would be using it all the time.

If you want people to respect your game, you won't resort to lame tricks like this and if you have a solid game, you won't have to.

abzdolc · Jan 12, 2014

you don't have to wait other player, you have to play your A poker, and if you will play a lot of tournamets, the result will be good : -)

pasqua544 · Jan 12, 2014

Stages

As I developed as a player, I played freerolls alot. And I used that same stragedy. It may not be correct but I see a development stage, one which we outgrow as we develope.
I say when you play for survival its dependent on the situation, like getting AA cracked and a few players eliminated ensures some return...
But to each their own. For me, its survining to final table next goal, with a good chip stack. Winning is ultimate objection but one stage at a time.
I stage it from registration closed, and then, if applicable, re-buys, add-on ends, then elimination begins to bubble. From bubble to final table and end with heads up. Last to cash in with a win...

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