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degen909

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I've been having a problem lately.I've been running severely card dead lately.example, I was in the 7,000 guarantee omaha-8 tourney on Bovada
Sunday. my chip stack never reached over 7,000. it fluctuated between 3,800-6,700. 80% of my winning hands were bluffs only because after shooting off 1,500 of my chips at first.then I tightened up.I would raise they would flat call. flop comes and I lead out and they fold. I would try limping only to become a chip fountain. i got a pretty good read on my table. but how do I get people to bet with second best hand. or get them to fold during the times when I'm dead in the water.lost with trip jacks with a nut flush draw to trip queens. got down to 5 BB.:confused:
 
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There's no simple, consistent way to get people to do something they weren't going to do anyway. If you've been folding a lot, those opponents who are good enough to notice and react will put you on narrower ranges, meaning they'll fold somewhat more when you show strength. Those who aren't good enough will play against you without making any adjustments.

One thing you can do is look for situations where you can take advantage of those opponents who have a tight image of you; e.g. by stealing somewhat wider, 3betting somewhat more, etc. But those situations won't always come up.
 
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I understand that. what I don't get is when the tourney started I would see the people 3bet shoving with a very weak pair with straight and flush draws on board post flop. and go busto. these are the people I want to bet into me.I try inducing bets by checking or by pot sized bets hoping they caught something. But it just doesn't work.but thank you for your reply. i guess I'll have to try another way.:confused:
 
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timing....timing...and timing...variance can be a killer sometimes....play a tounament with no excpecations...you cant win a game in the first few levels...take your time and relax
 
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I understand that. what I don't get is when the tourney started I would see the people 3bet shoving with a very weak pair with straight and flush draws on board post flop. and go busto. these are the people I want to bet into me.I try inducing bets by checking or by pot sized bets hoping they caught something. But it just doesn't work.but thank you for your reply. i guess I'll have to try another way.:confused:
Basically, you're asking how to get people who don't think to think the way you want them to. The answer is that you don't, not consistently anyway.
 
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I would not use the term don't think.that would imply that they're not very smart. wouldn't want to insult anybody. I would rather take there chips. what I'm trying to say is how do you influence them to do blow there chips off to me instead of someone else. i do like the advice of take your time. marathon not a sprint.
 
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what I'm trying to say is how do you influence them to do blow there chips off to me instead of someone else.
I understand that this is the core of your question. What I'm saying is that it's difficult to do this with much regularity. For someone to blow off his chips over and over again in similar situations, he has to be bad enough to make whatever play it is in the first place, and unaware enough not to notice after a while that it's a big losing play.

Also, given that quite a few poor players tend to play inconsistently - which is part of why they're poor - they won't even make this bad play every time the situation arises.

And, you still need a decent hand, which you won't have the majority of times when someone is ready to blow off their chips.
 
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Being card dead is just one of those things that happen in poker. They don't call it grinding for no reason. The cards come eventually, maybe not today, or even tomorrow. But they do come. Be in a position to maximize the hands you do catch.
 
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I like to turn into a NIT when I feel I have been running bad or dead. I study the table and dynamics and very carefully find the very best spot to get creative where the best equity is.
 
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you can't get them to blow their chips off to you in particular. But you can put yourself in situations to be there when it happens, ready to profit.

all you can do is try to identify these "spewy" players and isolate them and play pots with them. if you do this enough times, hopefully their spewiness will happen at a time when you have a hand, but before they've stacked off to somebody else.

don't think you're the only one who notices these players and salivates at the idea of taking their whole stack. most good players at the table have plenty of ideas of how to get those chips and we're all just waiting for the right situation.

step 1: identify the player
step 2: formulate a strategy
step 3: wait for the oppportunity to present itself
step 4: exectue plan

by the way.... i would not call this problem "card dead" at all
 
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