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To how many players have passed to have a hand like AA kk Ak AQ QQ and lose against 72 48 93 j5 is very sad and regrettable but happens more than usual, accepting this series of defeats is hard
 
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Literally everyone has loss with a big hand to a worse hand.

It doesn't happen more than more than usual. You just remember the beats.

In the end you should be happy that players play hand like these.
 
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I have had a really rough night at the tables. When I lose because I had a bad read, or have just made a dumb decision with a hand because I was attached to it, then I can have peace knowing I lost because I wasn't disciplined, and make adjustments to improve my game. But when I am doing everything right from well timed bluffs, extracting max value with the best hands, making correct hero calls, and folding when I know I'm beat; all in the same session and still end up getting busted out of a tournament because some super lucky individual happens to hit running queens to beat my pair aces; I just can't understand how people actually play profitable poker consistently. How do the online pros do it?
 
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I tell you what, it's all about experience. Earlier i was myself jumping from chair in a Phil Hellmuth's style after having my AA beat against some funky J2s and yelling bad words, scaring my family in other room. But you know what, more poker you play, less such things bother you. I mean, i can't say it isn't suck anymore, it is always, but you take it more easy. Meanwhile, when i see such things happen i'm not jumping or yelling or smashing my display with a keyboard. Not at all, i'm just sceptically grin and might say silently: "yeah right, that's typical". And try to forget that beat so fast as possible, cause i have to play further and not ruin the whole game because of that one hand. You learn it automatically with time and experience.
However if it's still pretty hard for you, not to dive in a tilt after such beats, i recommend you multitabling. It could help, it make you more busy playing at many tables and you are kinda distracted from your feelings. Also it doesn't feel that bad if you lost half stack on one of 6 or 8 your tables. At one you have lost at another you just won, you know. Not taking so close to heart, as it was the only table you play. Just try not to overdoing your multitabling, so that you not play too many tables and still can concentrate on making good decisions.
 
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I also agree that it doesn't happen more than more than usual. You just remember the beats.
 
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To how many players have passed to have a hand like AA kk Ak AQ QQ and lose against 72 48 93 j5 is very sad and regrettable but happens more than usual, accepting this series of defeats is hard

Happens all the time in live and even more online. Fun times!!!
 
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With any weak hand to see the flop, if the pot odds. And play carefully
 
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Premium and debris they are the same cost,as they say in poker, there are no rules,there are preferences which cards to play.
 
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Give me trash cards and a big stack of implied odds and I'll be just fine.

People who get emotionally attached to big hands are easy pickings. ;)

If you live and die with every bad beat, you will not enjoy or succeed playing poker. Bad beats are the nature of the game.

Good luck to you!
 
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To be fair, every hand is 50/50 preflop.

You either hit, or you don't.

Really so you think preflop odds are the same for 7 2 os as they are for AA . I don't know about you but I'll take the odds of AA any day 7 2 not so much. There are preflop odds of all hands depending on your position and certain hands get played by certain positons and previous betting. there is variance of coarse by knowing your opponents and by mixing it up for table image and stealing sometimes .But there are certainly not same odds for all hands preflop
 
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Really so you think preflop odds are the same for 7 2 os as they are for AA . I don't know about you but I'll take the odds of AA any day 7 2 not so much. There are preflop odds of all hands depending on your position and certain hands get played by certain positons and previous betting. there is variance of coarse by knowing your opponents and by mixing it up for table image and stealing sometimes .But there are certainly not same odds for all hands preflop
Well, AA is 50/50, too. You either win or you don't.

lol.
 
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Everyone has lost with a big hand to a pore hand and that does not happen more than it is usual
 
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Hi! A monster hand PP is great, but it is ONLY ONE PAIR !! Of cource you have a better percentage to win, but that´s it. Pre flop U are ahead, but once U don´t hit on the flop it becomes risky.
That´s why I hate pre flop all in with me holding AA or KK. They play ANYTHING.
And funny thing: if U loose KK against AA it doesn´t hurt that much, does it? So it´s more like feeling treated unfair (by luck) if U´re busted by trash.
So play like poker rules tell U - U will loose minimum (U WILL loose!!) and gain maximum.
 
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Well, AA is 50/50, too. You either win or you don't.

lol.
Nope!! Mathematic and especially statistics say, out of 1000 hands with AA U will win more than with a 1000 of 72o.
And heads up U will win more hands with AA against eg. 72o or any other hand.
And if U don´t believe, sit down at home, take out Ur cards and have a try!
 
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Trash hands can easily turn into a monster and knock you out of the tournament. So play poker professionals and it's called a slow ball. We are not playing against cards, but against players. :)
 
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I believe that many players will agree with me that the flop is very often a shock! I sometimes have to throw away a pair of aces.. sorry. You need to be able Yes, with the best hand to wait to see the flop!
 
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Dont be blinded because you had the best hand preflop.
once the flop hits your big pair could be behind at that point.
Know your players at your table. are the ones in the hand that play your range ?
are the ones that play suited or off suit connenctors in the hand.
what information did you get preflop to help you understand what players wanted to be in the hand.
the funniest thing I see all the time is the min raise from people and they do this a lot. when people min raise what is that telling them when others call their min raise and the big blind comes along ? NOT A DARN THING.

when you have gotten beaten with your aces was it because you didnt raise 3 time the blind ?
Did you get it all in not realizing others that have more understand will call because of stacks or situations in which they have a reason for the call you may not understand that isnt so obvious ?

you can use the math but the math doesnt work 25 wins and then 25 losses its and average and you can run AA losing for weeks or months its an unknown percentage that only comes after you have won or lost.

take a quarter for example its 50 / 50
you are not going to get heads tails heads tails ect.... its going to be 2 or 3 heads and maybe a tail then maybe 2 or 3 more heads.

my point is this play more of the players at the table ( know if they can fold or if they will come along ) limit how much you put into the pot by the players in the hand. the more knowledge and under standing of the others at the table will help you take pots down and your bad beats wont be so bad.

have a great day at the tables
 
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There are premium hands before the flop.Flop can transform trash to palaces.Think of this unshaped scenario. 3players. 1 has AA,the other KK,the final 24.The bet goes all in.
At the flop rise a couple of deuces and a 3.The final player will win the bet possibly,but was that person gambler enough to go all in before the flop, with such a hand?
 
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Ak suited vs 7 2 off suit Ak wins 69.06% of the time which is not to great going against the worst hand in poker! playing the best hands does give you an advantage, but its only an advantage you still need good luck to prevail in any poker game.
 
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In poker, each starting hand preflop has its own price. If the player is willing to pay for garbage hands - it's his business. I believe that it is better not to overpay for trash hands, in order not to lose your stack and avoid tilt.
 
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Yes, in poker, this is often enough that premium starting hands lose to any garbage, from this anywhere to escape the same card in them will always be unpredictability.
 
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