power of early position

So it's common wisdom that late position is more powerful than early and I do understand why but I feel like there is a hidden power of a raise from early position. It gets a lot more respect from one on the button, Do others agree?

Amanda A said:

So it's common wisdom that late position is more powerful than early and I do understand why but I feel like there is a hidden power of a raise from early position. It gets a lot more respect from one on the button, Do others agree?

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It gets a lot more respect yes but it raises your chances of running into a better hand.

Say I open UTG with A6o, players may put me on a stronger hand say A10+. But having to get my open through the entire of the table when someone calls your open they are likely to have you dominated. Hence we play tighter the earlier the position.

A6o becomes a lot more powerful when say in the SB and there is only 1 player in front.

Does this make sense?

with a hud its pretty easy to see where they are raising from and how much they fold to 3b

TeUnit said:

with a hud its pretty easy to see where they are raising from and how much they fold to 3b

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Playing micro stakes tho you don't get a big enough sample size on any players as you don't okay against then as regular as you would in higher stakes. So units on your HUD could be very misleading, IMO.

I get many many hands on the same players at micro. see a lot of the same people night in and night out.

You have to play high enough stakes to exploit the early position. Sure it's easier to bluff flops and turns when you raise from early position, but the other player has to be somewhat good.

There is no disagreement, there is a great chance to meet with a stronger hand, it seems to me that raising the position from the injury is not worth it.

vpip and pfr are going to be the first stats to converge ie they will be the first stats to become meaningful on the hud, while stats like 3b will take much longer

MoeJurphy said:

Playing micro stakes tho you don't get a big enough sample size on any players as you don't okay against then as regular as you would in higher stakes. So units on your HUD could be very misleading, IMO.

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Amanda A said:

So it's common wisdom that late position is more powerful than early and I do understand why but I feel like there is a hidden power of a raise from early position. It gets a lot more respect from one on the button, Do others agree?

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You raise from the first 3 spots it would suggest AA, KK and AK suited. Maybe QQ and JJ. Now if you're going to 3 or 4 bet then you need a bigger hand. Agreed? Principal is "you need a bigger hand to call a raise then to make a raise" understand? So you need a better hand to call with once someone has raised. So after someone raises UTG and you have AT suited on the button, doesn't look so good anymore.

The late position is good the fact that your word the last and if you have a good card, then you just do the check-reyz.

Yes PKRNRS that's right players feel they need a better hand to call a raise than to open a pot, that gives an early raise even more power - people assume you have a really good hand and they need and even better hand so you tend to get a lot of folds unless someone has something really great. Then of course you are going to have to throw your cards away. I wouldn't try this early in the tourney when people are calling everything, but later when blinds are high and people are watching their stacks and there's maybe 5-6 players left, I think the raise from utg can be a pretty powerful. Sometimes the first to raise gets the pot so you definitely have the option to be first to raise if you are utg.

disagree. i'm resentful of people who raise crazy amounts pre-flop. You never know what the cards will bring. Pocket aces or suited AK could still loose to an unsuited 2 10. If you absolutely feel like you need to raise pre-flop, make a small bet, and avoid going all in

I always like to play in the final position, where I give the last word that makes it much easier because I will see the reactions of the opposers and analyze calmly if I can bluff or not.

Amanda A said:

So it's common wisdom that late position is more powerful than early and I do understand why but I feel like there is a hidden power of a raise from early position. It gets a lot more respect from one on the button, Do others agree?

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I don't think so. If you don't have monster-hand, 3xBet from early position can lead you to the quandary on post-flop. After raise or reraise from early position you shows real power of your hand and must to make a big-size contbet after flop, don't knowing nothing about opponents cards - not best situation for you. You can use such 3xBet just if you clearly see that late-position player trying to steal this pot.

very interesting post. I've collected many useful information here. Thank you!

Good luck at the tables!!!

Thanks alextepi, good luck to you too!

It depends on which arm to enter.Of course, late position is a favorite.

you're damn right, you must have balls to raise from UTG, UTG+1 without value

It's depend on type of player. If a super tight player raise utg1 versus a guy calling and raising every pot. Who is the most credible?

I think it depends on the stakes/type of game you are playing. If it is a freeroll and it's early in the tourney, then early position raises are almost always offset with an "all in" bet. However, if the stakes are high enough for players to be playing seriously, then people notice and respect the early position raise. However, if the button has a good hand, you will still be exploited.

All money moves to button. SB the worst position

Yes it depends on the type of tourney and how far you are in to it. If people are playing seriously and it's getting towards the end (people have invested time at the very least) and maybe only 6 at the table. (less players less chance someone really has something). And yes it depends on who you are playing against (the tighter the better) and your reputation. If you are viewed as pretty solid (not a maniac) then you are more likely to be respected with your utg raise. Also I wouldn't do it if anyone was too short stacked and likely to shove with anything. Medium stacks would be best. A big stack might call just to keep you honest.

Hi friends, actually am what if you raise from early position then your card seems to be more powerful, the nuance is if there's someone else really good card at the table that you for the shove and all))

without value...its very u are down in a table..but is a low raise its call...

So I agree with you. But here's what I want to give an example of the game on 888. I have an AK hand and do bet 3 bb and my opponent left 1 not dropping the card even bigger bet to 10 bb and I myself think it is probably a pocket pair, such as AA or 10 10 I I equalized the bet and got on the flop 8 Q 8. What would you do here? I went to all the chips, maybe it's wrong judging by the fact that both of us are about 30BB in a row, but still the curiosity has taken its place. He was 8 Q tambourine. There was something like 4 6.
So I agree with you.
It seems as if I did not go for everything, and dropped the cards maybe I would be lucky, but for some reason I think that I would be crushed after this aggressive game as against a bluffing player. So, make conclusions ....