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Hi Guys, have been playing online for 3/4 months and had this scenario playing a 5.50 MTT recently. :joyman:

Middle position raised, I called with KK and then the Big Blind re-raised. Middle position folded?.... and Feeling confident one on one, I went all in.

Big blind calls and I kid you not, showed 7H and 9D!? Suffice to say the flop came 7,9,J and he goes on to win with two pair :mad:

Is this normal betting/play at this type of table? I have been trying to study the game and hand strength, and have folded plenty of K9, K8, Q9, J10 etc depending on position.

This just threw me and I want to know is it useful to play a few of these hands to mix things up and if so, how often? Thanks for any guidance, this experience rightly or wrongly has made me over cautious with tight playing.
 
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Mate, it happens. No matter what you'll get that guy. There is literally nothing you could of done about it.

I just got put out by a guy who went all in with a pair of 3s against my AQ, you can't do nothing about how the guys think.
 
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People playing online poker suck and are willing to play anything especially at lower levels it is very easy to feel like they are doing it knowing they will win when it happens often. I feel like it is a limitation of the software sometimes because it doesnt happen as much live but also could be because the amount of hands you can play increases and also the number of donks does too.
 
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WHAT!

Mate, it happens. No matter what you'll get that guy. There is literally nothing you could of done about it.

I just got put out by a guy who went all in with a pair of 3s against my AQ, you can't do nothing about how the guys think.

Sorry to say but getting put out by pocket 3s with AQ isn't bad. Unless you have a higher pocket pair be prepared to lose at least 50% of the time in that situation. In fact some situations can be very advantageous to shove with threes if you have an inkling your opponent has something like ak aq or something like that.
 
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How late in the tournament, and what were the stack sizes? You might see people do crazy things more when they are desperate for chips.

How loose was the initial raiser? Had you observed something that stopped you from re-raising instead of calling? Did the BB perhaps think the initial raiser was a maniac and you were passive?

Were you button or small blind?
 
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Hi Guys, have been playing online for 3/4 months and had this scenario playing a 5.50 MTT recently. :joyman:

Middle position raised, I called with KK and then the Big Blind re-raised. Middle position folded?.... and Feeling confident one on one, I went all in.

Big blind calls and I kid you not, showed 7H and 9D!? Suffice to say the flop came 7,9,J and he goes on to win with two pair :mad:

Is this normal betting/play at this type of table? I have been trying to study the game and hand strength, and have folded plenty of K9, K8, Q9, J10 etc depending on position.

This just threw me and I want to know is it useful to play a few of these hands to mix things up and if so, how often? Thanks for any guidance, this experience rightly or wrongly has made me over cautious with tight playing.

Hard to say without more details but perhaps the BB thought both you and original raiser were too loose and trying to steal his blinds, that's why he re raised, perhaps his stack was too short and already pot committed that's why he called your all in at the end?

Mate, it happens. No matter what you'll get that guy. There is literally nothing you could of done about it.

I just got put out by a guy who went all in with a pair of 3s against my AQ, you can't do nothing about how the guys think.

pocket 3s against AQ is actually pretty even if I'm not mistaken, nothing like KK against 79o.
 
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No I didn't say it as I'm tilting or about the odds but going all in pre flop with a pair of 3s is pretty much an example of range play.
 
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looks like villain just donked you-there was no way anyone would have put him on 7-9 preflop from his actions,it happens a lot online and live you cant get away from it,over the long run you need players like that to make money,it just stings when you get donked
 
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What were stack sizes? Blinds + antes?
 
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This was only hand 9 or 10 in the tournament.
 
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You know the phrase: 'Every hand can win in poker!'
Well this is what happen. You just got to keep in mind that other hands win more often. Like the better ones! You were the favourite, but this happens. Don't hold back in the future with KK and make that call and play tight in the beginning of a tournament. Not like this guy!!
 
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First of all, I would reraise with a KK. When you just call, the chance you have more players in the hand increases a lot, and your cards lose value.
And he tried to bluff you just because you called. I don't think he would try it is you reraised the MP.
I think the question to understand the call of the BB is how many bb he had when you shove and how many chips were in the pot at that moment. Sometimes is better call with any two than fold and continue with less than 5 BBs. You will have to shove soon anyways, probably in a worst spot.
Or maybe he just pushed the f button when the bluff didn't work.
But bad beats are common when you play online. It happens all the time. You will lose to fishes and bingo players a lot. But you need to have in mind that they will increase your bankroll in long term.
 
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Heh... Both of you played differently than I would.
Shove with 79 off-suit is a mistake by definition and lets not spend much more time with that... He won just by pure coincidence, just because statistics demand that he has to have certain probability.
If you didnt re-raise with KK (just called at first) then I wouldnt shove after a raise, but just call, to not give away my superb hand (KK). Of course, this is also dependent on stack sizes that we do not know here. But overall I would just call and slowplay. In this sick scenario I would lose, but in normal case I I would fish.
 
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I've seen this happening also several times in Online poker. A random player regardless of the previous bet situation and position goes all in pre flop with squadoosh and hits two pair on the flop against a big pocket pair. It happens..

There are multiple ways how to play big pocket pairs like KK. One could have been to re-raise instead of just call the 3bet from the middle position.
This would have indicated a strong hand and might have forced the big blind to think about his hand & the re-raise. Still some players will defend their BB and at call leaving you again with a tricky situation if they hit two pair on the flop. Others might get away from their hand considering a middle position raise and re-raise in front of them.

I personally raise big pockets way more often throughout a tournament than just call or slowplay them.
 
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First of all, I would reraise with a KK. When you just call, the chance you have more players in the hand increases a lot, and your cards lose value.
And he tried to bluff you just because you called. I don't think he would try it is you reraised the MP.
I think the question to understand the call of the BB is how many bb he had when you shove and how many chips were in the pot at that moment. Sometimes is better call with any two than fold and continue with less than 5 BBs. You will have to shove soon anyways, probably in a worst spot.
Or maybe he just pushed the f button when the bluff didn't work.
But bad beats are common when you play online. It happens all the time. You will lose to fishes and bingo players a lot. But you need to have in mind that they will increase your bankroll in long term.

Good suggestion. Bad beats are so frustrating when trying to do the right thing..guess it's a steep learning curve :)
 
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Slow playing big pair

I've seen this happening also several times in Online poker. A random player regardless of the previous bet situation and position goes all in pre flop with squadoosh and hits two pair on the flop against a big pocket pair. It happens..

There are multiple ways how to play big pocket pairs like KK. One could have been to re-raise instead of just call the 3bet from the middle position.
This would have indicated a strong hand and might have forced the big blind to think about his hand & the re-raise. Still some players will defend their BB and at call leaving you again with a tricky situation if they hit two pair on the flop. Others might get away from their hand considering a middle position raise and re-raise in front of them.

I personally raise big pockets way more often throughout a tournament than just call or slowplay them.

I'm never going to slow play big pocket pair again. Better to 3x Raise BB or reraise, might not grow any sizeable pots but hopefully put of these poor players :)
 
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Online poker has made me really jumpy, if I hit top pair I want everyone else off because someone will chance it and hit with something crap (happens so often)
 
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Yes I agree that you porbably should have raised instead of called with KK and put in a raise of around 3 times the bet. The lunatic may not have gone all in then and may have given up on the hand.
 
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I always have AA from the distribution :):):)
 
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Yup! And be glad of this type of play. Small stakes has always had a bunch of dead money to be had. Focus on the long haul and find ways to improve your game. Because......math says.......your KK will beat that suited one-gapped more often then not:)
 
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Yeah, doesnt help the pain at the time though lol will have to get used to it.
 
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