pokerstars,winning a tournament?

what do you think is needed to bink one of low buyin tourneys?
0.11$,0.27$.0.55 or 1$?
what playstyle? in those huge fields there are so many donks... people can shove any two... so what play style do you recommend to try?
tbh i tried few times and i did just push or fold,no funny buisness,either i shove semi good hand or i fold... and it look to me i did best results that way...

what is your opinion?

Yep in the beggining of theese tournaments, it's shove or fold style.
If you are lucky enought to build a big ship stack in the begin of thoose tournaments, than you will be able to play good or premium hands and put the pressere on small ones, also playing agressive on bubble.
To win a tournament , you will need extra luck on final levels, playing on position with only good hands and pray to not be busted by marginal hands ...

magicius said:

what do you think is needed to bink one of low buyin tourneys?
0.11$,0.27$.0.55 or 1$?
what playstyle? in those huge fields there are so many donks... people can shove any two... so what play style do you recommend to try?
tbh i tried few times and i did just push or fold,no funny buisness,either i shove semi good hand or i fold... and it look to me i did best results that way...

what is your opinion?

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My opinion is >> why take the highest variance lines against alot of really weak competition instead of maximally exploiting their tendancies & weaknesses?

Poker Orifice said:

My opinion is >> why take the highest variance lines against alot of really weak competition instead of maximally exploiting their tendancies & weaknesses?

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Ive been wondering the same thing
seems lately alot of people think push or fold from first hand, build bigstack fast or go home early
guess you and I wont see them at the final table much

PO nailed it. No point in taking small edge high variance spots vs weak players. Like, really avoid spots where you think you're flipping at best in early stages of tournaments vs terrible players. You can get it in crushing their range so often we can pass up small equity edges we can take vs the better players.

I've played a few of these MTT .55c/.80c turbos MTT's on stars in the past few months with 2000+ players. I've final tabled like 3 or 4, came 2nd and 3rd and ran deep numerous times, it's pretty easy imo to get a decent high roi% in these tournaments when players are so so so bad. Just really stick to a very solid tag game and you will do fine.

Poker Orifice said:

My opinion is >> why take the highest variance lines against alot of really weak competition instead of maximally exploiting their tendancies & weaknesses?

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Hmmm dont get me wrong,i dont play push/fold,i just tried it couple of times...
Usually in early stages i dont go all in except with good hands,and on postflop if i have set or better ill stick with hand,ofc depending on board texture...
My biggest problem is part when blinds go up... folding too many hands,and waiting for nuts... which is wrong since blinds eats nice portion of stack....

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magicius said:

Hmmm dont get me wrong,i dont play push/fold,i just tried it couple of times...
Usually in early stages i dont go all in except with good hands,and on postflop if i have set or better ill stick with hand,ofc depending on board texture...
My biggest problem is part when blinds go up... folding too many hands,and waiting for nuts... which is wrong since blinds eats nice portion of stack....

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Blinds eating your stack? You probably do not know what is blind stealing is, check it out, saved my tourney life many times. Also, have a HUD with stats like preflop raise or steal percentage, so when they raise preflop and their steal percentage is 50%, you reshove with 72o and take the pot

rytciaq said:

Blinds eating your stack? You probably do not know what is blind stealing is, check it out, saved my tourney life many times. Also, have a HUD with stats like preflop raise or steal percentage, so when they raise preflop and their steal percentage is 50%, you reshove with 72o and take the pot

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I do all of that, i steal blinds from co and button... But lets say when blinds are 1k/2k and you got 30k which is more than avarage... If i hold connectors or AT+ i am prone to folding it if someone before me raises 3bb... I know i should loosen in later stages... But i become real nit at that point...

You just need to work on your push/fold. And practice, practice, practice. Lots of volume with TAG style and good push/fold is all that's needed to beat micros.

Tight-aggressive

This style is very popular both in the online and offline poker. The essence of style is to play a small amount of strong hands, but play them very aggressively, putting constant pressure on the opponent. Creating a table image of a tight player, can be used successfully bluff, because opponents will almost always believe that we have a strong hand.
Tight-passive

Passive style is not typical for a successful poker players, so the tight-passive style of play usually neat newcomers who value their money. They prefer to play only the strongest hands, but, once in the nuts, do not hurry to increase the bank, the principle of "A bird in the hand ...". Against these players can be used successfully bluff and various moves that can knock your opponent out of the game and pick up the pot.

I agree with PO, ist not necessary to take every tiny edge, because your edge over the donk masses should be very high in these micros.
Your 3000 chips are worth more than their 3000 chips, why take a 50:50 flip for instance ?!

In the micro buyin tourneys u need to take a chance initially, I feel, when in position. Pockets over TT is worth a risk. Even the AKs, AQs , AJs wont be bad for a coin flip initially.

aaryan22 said:

In the micro buyin tourneys u need to take a chance initially, I feel, when in position. Pockets over TT is worth a risk. Even the AKs, AQs , AJs wont be bad for a coin flip initially.

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Why? (the underlined)

I mentioned (above) why I completely disagree & am just wondering what your reasoning is behind this? (how do you back up such a claim?)

Yeah i agree with PO.... thats the way how i lose... i had +100$ on graph now its 0... just finished 0.87$ on stars... was at place 13 at time... finished 800... AKs vs A8o.... its better if you have healthy stack to wait for good post flop hands.. rather than shoving...

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Only patience and those who pushed all in with any two cards play for you, but it knows how to annoy the engry, because the meaning of the game.

If I see someone pushing all in early with atc, I will wait until that player raises again and try to get it in with any decent holding. A lot of the time these players will flip over j8 q9 and such sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't

Better play 0.27 then move on BI 1$, because its reg speed mttsng, and much easier to adapt to the game. In the turbo need to have push/fold skill, and much more difficult games.

Can anyone win tournament on pokerstars?????It is imposible.....

zarzar78 said:

Yep in the beggining of theese tournaments, it's shove or fold style.
If you are lucky enought to build a big ship stack in the begin of thoose tournaments, than you will be able to play good or premium hands and put the pressere on small ones, also playing agressive on bubble.
To win a tournament , you will need extra luck on final levels, playing on position with only good hands and pray to not be busted by marginal hands ...

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like this and I'm think.I play that tournaments on Stars so many times, and only one conclusion i have...when tour have 20 percent of the players is reduced to 20 percent knowledge and 80 percent hapy.my opinion is that the poker software must be much much much more improve

Just stay tight aggressive and you will build up for good initial stack!

In the early stage (after dozen of hands) when you have seen which players is in every hand and which one have played none, you should play pocket pairs, suited connectors and premium hands depending on the action before you and the behavior of the active players in the specific hand. When you hit the flop dont be afraid to bet. I have seen and felt that playing a hand in a 500k gtd tourney on full tilt where I got eliminated by a Fulltilt Pro. Trust me he played his set of sixes aggressively and I didnt know what to do and I lost all my chips on top pair top kicker :/
Just play aggressive and conti bet. If someone has a decent hand, they may even go all in or give you a lot of chips under pressure.

I have won on pokerstars and so have many others you can sit and watch to see if someone wins

StivDice said:

Can anyone win tournament on pokerstars?????It is imposible.....

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Yes. I win tourneys on pokerstars all the time. I've had a few firsts, lots of final tables and lots of ITM. According to OPL I'm ITM 32% of the time. However, TAG style doesn't really work that well in the micros. It works a bit better when you get to the $5 buyin's +. I tend to play a smallball Laggy style. The main reason for this is that most of the books teach players to play TAG and if everyone else is playing Tag then Lag seems to work better. As for the micro limit cash games I've noticed that there's quite a few winning players there that play Tight Passive. I think the point is is that you need to learn not a particular style but how to exploit your opponents. Thinking, "I'm a TAG I'm gonna win" just doesn't cut it as TAGs are easily exploitable. According to Lee Jones, there's a single word strategy that crushes the TAG style... "Raise"

StivDice said:

Can anyone win tournament on pokerstars?????It is imposible.....

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Of course people win...unless you're suggesting online poker is rigged to let bots win...and if that's what you think, don't play.

A lot of posters in this thread are basically saying push/fold and get lucky early. WHY? Because that's what they do?

As poker orifice wisely pointed out "why take a high variance line with a slight edge vs weak players?" Beautifully put. Basically just play good poker. Yes you'll have to get lucky to win a big tourney because the field is so massive but that doesn't mean you force it to happen. Ever notice that Phil Ivey and Daniel negreanu don't win the main event every year? They're excellent players who deserve to win but variance is very high with large fields. Good poker will still prevail, though.

I would prefer a tight style in the early stages so I personally gaining good stack