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Does anybody know a really good resource that goes deep into the math. Referring to situations such as effective stack of 10BBs, on BTN with A6o, and determining if shove/what is the right play.

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like what? a book, software? i need more info in your question
 
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Dan Harrington's "M" Ratio is a good reference for tournament play on when to shove and tournament play strategy.
 
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download HEM if you havent already and use the trial of the SnG wizard. It can give you quizzes for push/call/fold so you can learn the most optimal play
 
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download HEM if you havent already and use the trial of the SnG wizard. It can give you quizzes for push/call/fold so you can learn the most optimal play

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On the button you can do the maths yourself, all you have to do is estimate calling ranges, overcalling ranges and then add up the results (change in chips from start of hand) from each scenario.

Edit: Unless you mean in a SnG then you have to take ICM into consideration. Still a similar calculation though.
 
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ICM is not only applicable to STTs btw....bubble factors, moving up in the money...play close to the satellite bubble,it all happens in MTTs as well...just not so much early and mid game till the bubble.
 
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Yea but it's not nearly as applicable in tourneys. my situation was referring more to say 1000 from the money where it's more or less irrelevant.
 
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A good resource I know is > let a group of math whiz, poker coaches, grinders do all the work for ya. Then get ahold of some of their shove/fold charts > study them > ... 'ez game'.
 
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I also use a lot of the hand calculators to find standard percentages such as 'Chances to hit a flush after flopping 4 diamonds', chances to hit a set, etc etc. Not sure if thats what youre looking for, but good luck
 
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The most important factors of fold/shove is whats going on at the table. Throw the chart away.
 
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The most important factors of fold/shove is whats going on at the table. YES - one of them but stated very ambiguously

Throw the chart away. NO NO NO!!![/quote]

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There are e-equilibrium charts in high gloss color in the back of Raiser's Edge. It gives you aproximate GTO equilibrium strategies for and against certain stack sizes under this or that amount of tournament pressure.
I would DEFINATELY read the HonH series and Theory of Poker first but if you've already got those down its worth while.
It is a great book for tournament poker players who already have a basic understanding of the fundamentals. I don't think it would do much good at all to read it if you don't already have a pretty darn good understanding of basics. Even a bit beyond basics. It is certainly NOT for beginners. Not just that you won't understand a lot of the stuff in it without previous knowledge but really because there are FAR better resources for players who haven't already taken their game to a certain level. It isn't jam packed with tons of useful stuff, it doesn't teach you how to play poker. It helps you to understand new trends and what good lines do and don't look like, how to balance ranges, etc.
I would only recomend it to someone who has already done a ton of study and read a lot of other more "required reading". But, if you already understand concepts like M and Q, counting outs, EV, basic starting hand stuff, SPR, pot geometry, range manipulation, combinatories, etc and you have sort of "plateau'd" then Raiser's Edge will give the players who are having a harder and harder time finding profitable info a good boost.
I am not sure if anyone has mentioned the poker stove but thats free software that is MUST HAVE, you can learn a ton just fiddling with different ranges on it. Flopzilla is great too but it costs monies. You can get a good discount though, on flopzilla, if you tell them splitsuit sent you.
 
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"Poker Math That Matters" by Owen Gaines
 
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"The mathematics of poker" by Bill Chen and Jerrod Ankenman mentions it.
 
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According to Barry Greenstein "math is idiotic"

 
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" ‘M’ in it’s simplest form is simply the ratio of the blinds (and antes if applicable) to your current chip stack. At a full table you add the 2 blinds together and divide your chips by this number to give you an ‘M’ number. For example if you have 3000 chips and the total blinds are equal to 600 then your ‘M’ is 5.
What this number tells you is how many more ‘rounds’ of the table you can survive without being blinded away. In the above example, assuming you played no hands, you can last for 5 rounds.
The basic ‘M’ score assumes a full table of 9 or 10 players. When there are less players the blinds will come around faster – and so your M is adjusted to compensate. Dividing your current M by the ratio of players at the table is know as ‘Effective M’. For example, you have 5000 chips with 5 players left – the blinds total 500, your M now equals 5000/500 = 10, however only 50% of a full table are playing so you divide by 2 for an effective M of 5."

-Dan Harrington

I took this right off of an ebook hope it helps!:D
 
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