MikeCarasone
Legend
Platinum Level
mariuspoker1
Rock Star
Silver Level
There is no such thing like " correct way to play poker"; that's why poker it's so loved by many people because gives you the opportunity to win even if you have weaker cards so my answer at your question is yes you may call with any cards you want if you feel you are lucky
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MikeCarasone
Legend
Platinum Level
There is no such thing like " correct way to play poker"; that's why poker it's so loved by many people because gives you the opportunity to win even if you have weaker cards so my answer at your question is yes you may call with any cards you want if you feel you are lucky
Maybe “correct” wasn’t the best way to say it. Is it most optimal to play this way. It’s not a way that I often play. I am always learning tho.
Mezzzzzza
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Are you on about watching play on tv or higer stakes online and deep in mtts alot of these guys have so much info on each other i dont think theres a huge amount of people that are going to be 4bet shoving 66+ in the C/O against unknowns. Obviously im not saying these plays are wrong situational dependent a LAG player jams 15bb on the button deep in a torney i will rejam out off the SB or be calling the in the BB with alot of pairs stack size depending. As a general rule i wouldnt consider 3 4bet shoving low mid pairs optimal or calling of your whole stack with these but yes there are spots that this can be the correct play
SharkyJohn
Rock Star
Silver Level
Shoving pocket pairs is almost never a bad decision (if not facing bigger pocket pair) But it depends of a lot of factors... stack sizes,position,blinds level,tournament stage,player's mentality,tilt etc.
While playing a average stack I am trying to raise or call the raises with pp like 77 or 55 to see the flop and to hit a set... I could play differently with 10BB stack by just shoving. Yeah it depends of a lot,but the main factor is the player himself
etc.While playing a average stack I am trying to raise or call the raises with pp like 77 or 55 to see the flop and to hit a set... I could play differently with 10BB stack by just shoving. Yeah it depends of a lot,but the main factor is the player himself
kowrip
Rock Star
Silver Level
Whether or not these are smart plays depends on each individual situation. For example, calling an all-in shove with 77+ could be a decent move if you are in a tournament, the player shoving is short stacked and you have a much bigger stack. I think you're correct in that you are definitely seeing these types of plays in a wider variety of situations nowadays. I like the "old school" train of thought where you only play KK/AA against a 3-bet, but there could be situations where I would change that game plan. With a very loose 3-bettor, a shove with a mid pocket pair could push BOTH of the other players out of the hand. So, again, it's very situational.
Ryan Laplante
CardsChat Pro
Silver Level
Calling shoves with small pairs depends heavily on stack depth.
Highstakes games play much more aggressively, thus hand strength preflop goes up in certain ways.
Luvepoker
Lost in the twilight zone
Community Guide
I have no issue when in later position and being a short stack shoving with all my pocket pairs from aces to 2's. As for 3 betting with the lower pocket pairs, I don't do it as I am more likely to get a call I don't overly want. As for calling it is really dependent on there stack size, there image and my stack size. If there shove about 5BB or less and I am in the BB i will call with all my pairs but if they have more I will most likely fold my smallest pocket pair's below 8's as the risk to my stack makes it not worth it. If I have a monster stack and I think they are shoving any 2 I may open it up more and call a few more hands.
pancho_1954
Rock Star
Platinum Level
I do not know if there is a correct way to play them, I think it is largely about the extrategies that the players have, I also assume that they play depending on the information they have from the opponents, there are also those who follow their instinct
SoCalGrndR1
Enthusiast
Silver Level
There are a lot of factors involved, first would involve the stack size(s). The smaller pairs are really risk/reward. The first stack is mine and the other stacks that could potentially be in the hand. The other stack(s), is there enough chips out there to win and be worth it to call/shove.
Second would look at your position on the table, and so on and so on.
There are many factors to consider that more detailed information is needed to make a qualified answer. I think later position definitely helps but still, there are many things to consider.
I definitely dont blindly call or go all in with any pair, even Aces. Another layer to the pair cake is having a read on any of the players. After looking at all of the number calculations you also have to consider what players might do in these circumstances as well. That could change everything regardless of the calculations.
SoCal
Second would look at your position on the table, and so on and so on.
There are many factors to consider that more detailed information is needed to make a qualified answer. I think later position definitely helps but still, there are many things to consider.
I definitely dont blindly call or go all in with any pair, even Aces. Another layer to the pair cake is having a read on any of the players. After looking at all of the number calculations you also have to consider what players might do in these circumstances as well. That could change everything regardless of the calculations.
SoCal