A few more thoughts...
Yeah, it's something like that. Are we still calling w only 20bb's? I'm less than thrilled, but in the few PLO/PLO8 MTT's I've played, I've found that the bubble pressure makes some people push w some pretty goofy hands - maybe bbb or someone w more experience in this format will comment?
Now, that I think about it, for tournament play, maybe less of a good move to call, not sure. FWIW, I rarely if ever play PLO8 MTTs. However, almost
all of what I play for
real money (aside from private tournaments) is PLO8 or Limit O8 cash games, and am quite profitable at it. I know, different animal. BBB plays a lot of NL O8 cash games, she might play PLO8 and/or MTTs as well, I really don't know.
Because sets always win, and set over set never happens in PLO/8?
Twin pair hands are basically unprofitable even in PLO vs. a single raiser OOP.
No, sets don't always win, but they sure can, and boats win quite often. It depends on the texture of the board. If the board does not pair up or flush, top set often does win. As far as set over set, we're not dealing with 3377. The likelihood of an over set is quite small, even if it's the 10 we hit.
as dive basically said, we are set mining but we have terrible odds...we're going to miss 75% of the time and even if we do hit, we're going to lose quite often or win half the pot a vast majority of the time. FOLD!
we basically don't have that great an edge vs. any random hand in PLO8.
No hands in Omaha (vs. Holdem) in general have a great edge, but some have better edges than others. It's not all about your odds of hitting. It's more about the
implied odds after hitting your set.
Here's one more thing I like about this hand I like that I forgot to mention. Holding 2 pairs increases the odds of the board pairing up (should you hit your set of course). For instance, say you have KKQ8 and the flop comes KQ8 or KQ2 or K89. If you have those cards in your hand, the odds are grim to pair the board up with those cards. Let's say you hit the K. So....with 2nd pairs, say 10s, in your hand, it is 1) unlikely to see another 10 which will not pair up (and if it does, you have quad 10s), and 2), even if a K10 flops,
who else is that gonna help? No one (unless there's a J or Q to go with it to make someone's str8).
Here's a rainbow flop where we hit top set vs. villain's nut low wrap and a pair of deuces
board: Ks2d3h
KdKcThTs 39.15% 186 456 0 0 0
Ah4h5c2c 60.85% 364 364 0 630 0
I'd like to see you run it again with a flop like: board: Ks2d9h
Or how about running a more likely scenario, opponent holding A42J, and the 2 in that K23 flop just kinda screwed him a little.
Random final thoughts... I agree this is of course a far better PLO hand than PLO8. And must admit, I did not take into account the MTT (vs. cash) factor in my reply. In a cash game, I believe this is a definite call here,. For me, this hand is very easy to play post-flop regardless of poor position. It's hit or miss. You're gonna raise or check-fold. But in the given situation, MTT, 20 BB left, you're probably correct with a fold, no idea though.
BTW, the OP does not say how many limped and/or if anyone else called the raise. If there were a few limpers that made for a huge pot bet, and wind up folding to that bet, guess that would decrease your
pot odds to call? Guess there's no way of knowing what they'd do. Anyway, I am the BB, no one to act after me. (If any limpers, they will either call or fold. So not worried about a re-raise.) On a side note, if no one else limped (or maybe 1 limper), then a good chunk of that pot bet is your own chips. The call to defend becomes that much more clear - at least to me.
The only thing I don't like about this hand is that it's not suited at all. But that's not really the object here, which is implied odds towards a boat.
