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I have played micro Holdem NL tournaments and I was very satisfied with my play and earnings. It was until I have started to play PLO H/L. IMO, I do not play bad, but I lose almost always. I have started to look at PLO H/L as a grinding machine, but I can't stop playing it. Any advice?
 
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When people make the transition from NLH to PLO or PLO8 they usually have a time of learning the differences. It took me about 6 months before I really got good at PLO and PLO8.

First off I thought I was playing good and after reading a few books I realized I was not.
If you havent thought of these then I am glad I helped, if you did, sorry I couldnt help.
1. PLO by nature is a drawing game. AA in your hand doesnt really do much good against more than 1 or 2 other players, and since you cant raise that much you typically have more than that, especially early in tournaments and at cash tables. If you dont hit a set you almost can not continue in the hand. You are really going for straights and flushes or boats to win a hand. A hand like KQJ10 double suited is a monster.
2. In PLO8, the same is true, but now you are also battling a low hand for half the pot. Phil Helmuth always says in PLO8 at a full table the NUTS ARE OUT THERE. Meaning if you do not have the nut low (or close to it) you should not be in the hand if you are at a full table if you are in for low only. The best way to win this game is to go for both the high and the low in all the hands you play. AA23 dbl suited is a monster with nut low potential, straight potential, nut flush potential and full house potential. Thats a 4 banger hand!
Plays hands close to that, or just go for the high only. Remember the low only hits approximately 35% of the time (I think thats right, its close to that anyways) Far too often people go for the low only and get quartered to death.
 
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I have played micro Holdem NL tournaments and I was very satisfied with my play and earnings. It was until I have started to play PLO H/L. IMO, I do not play bad, but I lose almost always. I have started to look at PLO H/L as a grinding machine, but I can't stop playing it. Any advice?

I don't have any advice on stop playing. I also enjoy play PLO H/L. a lot i wish that ACR would have ten dollar free rolls on PLO H/L
 
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I have played micro Holdem NL tournaments and I was very satisfied with my play and earnings. It was until I have started to play PLO H/L. IMO, I do not play bad, but I lose almost always. I have started to look at PLO H/L as a grinding machine, but I can't stop playing it. Any advice?

1) The first thing you need to remember is that PLO-8 is a four card game. You need all four cards working before you enter a pot. The exception would be a free play out of the BB, or on the button for a steal. You might play a three card hand short handed, but never at a full table.

Because you're up against that many more card combinations, the equities run much closer than at NLHE. In NLHE, AA is an absolute monster, and usually a through ticket. In PLO-8, A,A, rag,rag is a trash hand that needs to be automucked. An overpair isn't gonna win very often at Omaha, and in PLO-8, you're frequently playing for half a pot with a near hopeless hand, and that's a double whammy. Because equities run so much closer, expect more coolers.

2) In PLO-8, there is no room for 7's, 8's, or 9's. A hand like (7,8,9,T-ds) is good in PLO. It's absolute trash in PLO-8. Even if you bink, you're binking for half a pot, as the cards that hit your hand put a low on the board. If there is no low, then that means you're playing idiot end straights, sub-nut flushes, or middle or even bottom sets, and those hands are a helluvalot more vulnerable at any form of Omaha than they are at Hold 'Em. Sixes are useful only in that a six in your hand could win you half if someone has a wheel and you have a six-high.

3) Ideally, you'll flop the nuts with a redraw to nuttier nuts. Hands like top set with a wrap straight draw, a straight with a NFD, even if it's a backdoor job, Two pair with a nut flush -- these are the hands you're looking for. A nut straight on the flop with 2 diamonds when all you have are black cards is nothing to get excited about.

4) Play to scoop. You want hands that'll win both ends. The "Rockets" of PLO-8 would be ( Ah,2h,Ad,3d ) A hand like this has two potential NFD's, three way counterfeit protection, and a draw at the highest top set

6) Beware the one way hand. An acey-deucy with nothing to go along with it is dangerous, though you could go with it in very fishy games where players will play for low with hands like A3, 23, 34 that aren't hitting to the nuts. Otherwise, a naked A2 is dangerous since there are the disadvantages of playing for a half you may not get if there's another A2 out in the same deal. Even if you flop the nut low, you're risking getting counterfeited. If an ace or deuce rolls off, you don't have the nuts any more.

High hands like ( K,Q,J,T ) also have their problems. If you're suited, you're not drawing at the nuts. Also, everyone with low cards will hit the muck when the flop comes down with paints. High hands on no-low boards tend to win small pots unless you're battling with another player going for the high end as well.

7) Beware the frustration factor. It's nasty to run card dead at NLHE, but even then, you can always use your "nitty" image to steal with nothing. If you've gone 4,5,6 orbits and done nothing but fold, you can bang it UTG with a garbage hand and get respect. That doesn't happen at PLO-8, as someone will always have something, and fish can justify calling with some of the damnedest things.

You wait and wait and finally your get your ( Ah,2h,Ad,3d ). Yeay! Then the flop comes down black card, black card, black card and not an ace in sight. At best, you're left with a low draw that may not come in at all. You just have to bite that bullet and fold. C-bets don't get the respect they do at NLHE, especially when fish are in there. The main exception might be a flop like: Q,T,9 that has those trashy middle cards in it and no low. Even then, you can't count on it. Mr. Fish just might show up with an 8,7 and play it come Hell or high water.

Playing FoF at NLHE is fishy; at PLO-8 it's a necessity.

8) Position, position, position! It's even more critical at PLO-8. If there's 1.5BB out there, and you're UTG, the most you can raise it is 3.5BB. If you're in the back row, and four players limp, then you can bang it for 7.5BB to iso with your monster. You can also trail in with more marginal hands and get odds. That's where you want to be playing the majority of your hands: from the back row, not up-front.
 
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I likewise love Omaha H/L.

I particularly play No limit rather than pot because you cant push back most opponents at pot.
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Its a drawing game so luck is very essential here.

Try to analyze things why youre losing. You might have holes on your play.

Good luck.
 
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as for me omaha in general is a lottery
 
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I enjoy the 8 or better version as I feel there is less bingo players in this version. Nothing will kill you in a tourney faster than being quartered with the nut low. Stay away from low sets as well as they will just drain money and rarely win.
 
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I only play freerolls, go all in at the beginning, when I build a big stack, I start to play normal and think.
 
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I do really like tournaments PLO8 , the strategy is much more complicated than in texas holdem, hands to play have to be stronger than in Hold'em, it is not so easy to bluff , as players are much more likely to make the best hand and the worst
 
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I do really like tournaments PLO8 , the strategy is much more complicated than in texas holdem, hands to play have to be stronger than in Hold'em, it is not so easy to bluff , as players are much more likely to make the best hand and the worst

Any tips for someone new to plo8 tournys online?
 
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more study, i love omaha hi / lo and its beatifull , but you have to study and read so you learn
 
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Any tips for someone new to plo8 tournys online?

first you have to make is that when you enter a hand have posibilades winning the hi and lo for example AA23 double suited, this hand is very strong because you have chances to win hi and lo, try not to get hands like 6789, and it is not recommended to very high rises, because the idea is to see flops without betting a lot, and that is stronger than your hand preflop by the large number of convinations is very easy that your hand is up. try not to bet big when only take a hand with LO game, since there is a possibility that you draws the LO and lose the HI.
 
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