Playing out of position!

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Good day! His last 5 tournaments I lost while in the small blind with a hand QQ, 99, AK. Rival would ollin and I took it!!! And in all 5 cases, I was lost! Although my hand was much stronger. Tell me, is it coincidence, or in this position at a later stage of the tournament, all hands must be toppled?:mad: : С ума: : С ума: : С ума: : С ума: : Обожаю: : Обожаю: : Обожаю: : Обожаю:
 
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Sounds to me like a bad case of variance. Although it's really frustrating, you just have to remember that so long as you are going in with the best hand, over time it will even out and you will win much more than you will lose. In the short term though, unfortunately you can play a hand 100% correctly and still lose. If you have Poker Tracker or Hold'em Manager, take a look at your all-in equity graph - even though you lost, this line should still be going up. So long as it is, you're making the right decisions and given a large enough sample you should end up with a profit!
 
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they say breakin up is hard to do....but I think playing out of position is harder ;)
 
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as we all know late position is the best in poker, but lately this so late in the ecosystem that is not enough only that, the whole stay one step ahead of the other players, not to fall into the "STANDARD" I like more pay button expecting some movement of the blind, at least with hands like AA-KK-QQ-AK, and also depends on the kind of tournament (buy-in) in which you can not take risks because they can leave too expensive and more against regs.

and you think your friend?
 
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Late in a tournament everyone is gambling so many hands will lose while being the favorite. Not exactly coincidental, but it's bound to happen with so many races going on. I'm assuming these were all preflop?
 
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If you have less 16bb, and you OOP better shove this hand, to make the game easy ,
was not a situation where not a big stack and you're out of position..
 
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If this is preflop, you are not out of position. You are only out of position with the Big Blind preflop, The question is, why did you call an all-in preflop with QQ, AK and 99? do yo have reads on the shover?

Try to accumulate chips by not risking all your chips.
 
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without reads or stats on villian, i would guess thats just bad luck or variance
 
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Either way position only matters if you're playing poker. When it's all-in pre position doesn't really play out.

I'd like to hear more about how 99 got all-in pre. :)
 
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I believe youre ahead on QQ but in doubt on AK and 99.
 
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Folding hands out of position like QQ AK AQ AJ JJ and 9's have benefited me.
 
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Folding hands out of position like QQ AK AQ AJ JJ and 9's have benefited me.

Agreed. Especially pocket Jacks. It's always so tempting to call a preflop raiser with them, but if it's going to cripple the stack/knock me out, I generally fold.
 
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Sounds to me like a bad case of variance. Although it's really frustrating, you just have to remember that so long as you are going in with the best hand, over time it will even out and you will win much more than you will lose. In the short term though, unfortunately you can play a hand 100% correctly and still lose. If you have Poker Tracker or Hold'em Manager, take a look at your all-in equity graph - even though you lost, this line should still be going up. So long as it is, you're making the right decisions and given a large enough sample you should end up with a profit!
I have also noticed this situation, it seems very often I will have a srtong hand and raise, just to have an agressive player push. Just today I was at a final table on a knockout tournament, there were 7 left and I was short stack at the table.
I hit pocket Queens, and I pushed, I got a caller with pocket 6 of course at the river I was 95% to win, when the river comes a 6. This seems to happen so often I sometines wonder if there isn't some funny business going on. But then occasionally I am the 5% that hits the river. It just seems to happen to some players much more often than others.
I often see guys pushing with virtually any 2 against strong hands and they seem to hit over and over again. You think well if they keep playing like that they will end up losing but they continue to hit lucky over and over again. I am sure that there is no logical explination for this, but do you have ANY insight on why some players seem to hit no matter what cards they play and no matter what they are up against?
 
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I have also noticed this situation, it seems very often I will have a srtong hand and raise, just to have an agressive player push. Just today I was at a final table on a knockout tournament, there were 7 left and I was short stack at the table.
I hit pocket Queens, and I pushed, I got a caller with pocket 6 of course at the river I was 95% to win, when the river comes a 6. This seems to happen so often I sometines wonder if there isn't some funny business going on. But then occasionally I am the 5% that hits the river. It just seems to happen to some players much more often than others.
I often see guys pushing with virtually any 2 against strong hands and they seem to hit over and over again. You think well if they keep playing like that they will end up losing but they continue to hit lucky over and over again. I am sure that there is no logical explination for this, but do you have ANY insight on why some players seem to hit no matter what cards they play and no matter what they are up against?


SEEM is the operative word. It just seems to you that they are "hitting" more than their fair share. Yes, players will go on a heater sometimes...I know I sure have and there was no "funny business" going on. I truly and honestly believe that the "luck" factor evens out in the end and all that's left at the end of the day is our skill and the quality of our decisions.
 
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position is important in decision making, but in the late possitione u rerais and someone should give rerais.. you fold, this position has no value in this case
 
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Position,stack size were all important

Not to mention the ICM situation also.You

must know when,where or how to make a move

going all-in pre.
 
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Ppl say " Playing out of position is like walking through a dark cave with no flashlight. You never know what might lurk behind that next corner. " :D
While big pairs as a pocket pair of Queens are probably the best hand prior to the flop and if it is, it stands a very good chance of still being the best hand once the flop is revealed, other hands in your examples have very different characteristics. In other words, this kind of hand plays best from late position, where you get to decide what to do after most of your opponents have acted.
 
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I have also noticed this situation, it seems very often I will have a srtong hand and raise, just to have an agressive player push. Just today I was at a final table on a knockout tournament, there were 7 left and I was short stack at the table.
I hit pocket Queens, and I pushed, I got a caller with pocket 6 of course at the river I was 95% to win, when the river comes a 6. This seems to happen so often I sometines wonder if there isn't some funny business going on. But then occasionally I am the 5% that hits the river. It just seems to happen to some players much more often than others.
I often see guys pushing with virtually any 2 against strong hands and they seem to hit over and over again. You think well if they keep playing like that they will end up losing but they continue to hit lucky over and over again. I am sure that there is no logical explination for this, but do you have ANY insight on why some players seem to hit no matter what cards they play and no matter what they are up against?



Hope all is going well today, and glad to meet you.This player believes when the money goes in for example, the situation when your money went in with QQ vs. 66 pre-flop; this is where the % are set for the rest of the hand. The miss-conception of being a 95% favorite on the turn is not entirely true because of where all the money was put in pre. The % with one card to come does not reflect when all the money went in pre, for example, if all the money went in on the turn then; yes you would have been a 95% favorite with one card to come. This situation is where people believe they were unlucky rather than the % of getting out drawn or holding up when all the money goes in with X number of cards to come.This player loves talking poker and hope to continue talking in future situations.
 
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