Playing Deep Stack MTT's on PS Exclusively to build Bankroll?

Up until now I have played exclusively on FTP. Haven't really found any real calling in cash games, fared alright in SnG's but where my results have truly shown to be there best is in MTT's specifically Deep Stack MTT's.

So I have recently checked into PS and found there Deep Stack structure to be significantly better than the current FTP one.

My current plan is to deposit $1000 onto PS, having the $600 sign up bonus to help with bankroll building. Then play the $10+1 at 12pm daily on a fairly regular schedule. Sometimes taking shots to the $20+2 mainly because the field is about half the size of the $10, along with any other "Big Sunday" or weekend tournaments that might come along and look profitable.

So if anyone considering themselves to be a "MTT specialist" or even "Deep Stack specialist" could give some input on this plan of mine, why or why not this will thrive/fail completely. Or maybe someone who has thought of this themselves or even done this.

P.S. Also if anyone could throw in some more $.2 on the idea of taking shots up to the next level and whether it is a valid idea or not and why or why not.

Thanks!

Nothing wrong with your plan, anyone can tell you that if you are best at mtts then play them. I personally love PS' structure as well and like deep stack mtts, not too deep though lol.

Try the site out though and see what happens, I will tell you that playing mtts, especially deep time consuming mtts you wont clear your 600$ bonus that fast.

Yes I plan on playing some other SnG's and Micro Cash games just to get the bonus cleared only if there is a time limit on it if not, it will clear when it will clear.

I like your deep stack MTT idea. I play the daily dollar of FTP pretty frequently compared to other offerings. You gotta play what you feel you are best at.

I am working a bonus off on one site, that I did a first deposit in May( to qualify for a big freeroll). I have to complete the bonus by the last day in August or it expires. I am only 7 percent completed.

I made a monster-lengthed reply to this post, including a detailed list of the $11 buyin MTTs on stars, their structure and the avg. amount of entrants in each... sigh.. the site timed out on me.

If you're referring to the 12:00 $11 Deepstack on Stars, 5,000chip/30min. levels... this tourney is INSANE!!! To suggest playing this tourney to build a bankroll... whoa.. idk.. I don't think so. This tourney takes over 12hrs. from start to finish for a playing field of less than 2,000 entrants, 1st place usually winning just under $2k. I've played it only once. I cashed but played for ~8hrs. to win $50. That was ~2yrs. ago. I've considered playing it again... but... umm.. idk... it's gruelling, lol. There's TONS of time to play poker in it though. I actually might play it again some time when I'm planning on putting in a full day mtt session on Stars.

There are other decent $11 buyin mtt's on Stars with 3,000/15min. or 3,000/10min. There's 3 of them per day. The $5 mtt at 13:00 is similiar. There's also an $8 along the same lines.

When I'm playing on Stars (MTT) I'm playing in all of these but will also throw in the $4 & $3 mtts as well (the 3,000chip ones) and sometimes the $3rebuy as well.

Playing MTTs online can be a bigtime grind but sure is fun if you pull off a decent score on occassion. There can be periods of many tourneys though with zero or minimal cashes. Like I said, it can be a grind.

To suggest only playing the one $11 deepstacked one... ouch.. I'd be jumping off the highest building by the 2nd day.

I wouldn't recommend 'taking shots' at big Sunday buyins. Not with a $1,000 bankroll anyways.

Thanks for all the input everyone.

The only reason I love deep stack over all other 10 min blinded 1500 stack tournaments is those seem like they should be called turbos also, they are a lot more luck than sitting down and actually being able to play your game.

Orifice,
Seems like you are somewhat impatient but different strokes for different fokes haha.
If you have the time could you list the good tournaments in the $10 range that are double stack or higher, besides the Deep stack ones i know about already.

I haven't played it personally, but I just read Poker Orifice's post. I think a better MTT to play would be the 12K guarantee. It has around 5000 players and pays well. First place gets a bit over 2k with 2nd around 1.7k. I placed 2nd after about 10 hours of play. A significant difference that I recommend this over your choice is that the buy-in is only $2.50+.25 BUT it's not "deep". It's standard 1500. Players are really soft and the majority of the field gets knocked out in about 3 hours. ITMing is fairly easy if you play solid, but making it to the .1% percentile is different.

Tyler Collins said:

Thanks for all the input everyone.

The only reason I love deep stack over all other 10 min blinded 1500 stack tournaments is those seem like they should be called turbos also, they are a lot more luck than sitting down and actually being able to play your game.

Orifice,
Seems like you are somewhat impatient but different strokes for different fokes haha.
If you have the time could you list the good tournaments in the $10 range that are double stack or higher, besides the Deep stack ones i know about already.

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There's a difference between what you're referring to (the 3,000chip/15min. blinds) and the actually MTTs on pokerstars that say "DEEPSTACK" beside them (the ones you're referring to are their regular MTT's.. most of the MTT's at $4 & up are 3,000chips).
The DEEPSTACK tourneys on Stars are actually 5,000chips (but with same blind levels as the 3,000 chip tourneys... not to be confused with the SunMill blind structure which is 10,000 starting chips but if you check out the blind structure it is actually close in equivalency to the 3,000 chip tourneys (cuz it's a different blind structure... blinds start off higher & go up alot more than in the others). << anyways.. that's besides the point.
The DEEPSTACK tourneys have 30min. levels. So at first break you're still only at 15/30 which is absolutely INSANE!
Tyler, when you said "DEEPSTACKED".. and the time of day you mentioned (12:00) this is the exact time of the $10+1 DEEPSTACK (one of the ones I'm referring to). This is the MTT I was/am referring to with the comments I've made above (you've clearly misunderstood me... ie. how could I lack patience when I'll regularly play 6 or more 3,000chip mtt's at the same time & fire up more when I'm out of others? I don't consider the 3,000 chippers to be all that 'deepstacked'.. although they are definitely deeper than the 1500chip ones (there really aren't many 1500chip tourneys on there above $2 buyin,.. even ALOT of the Turbos (5min. blinds) start with 2,000, 2,500 & 3,000 chips).

To find a list of the $5,$8, & $10 MTT's, just set your filters up in lobby & it will list them for you (all of them are 3,000chips... some have 10min. levels.. others are 15min. levels). 3,000/10min. levels... it can be a bit deceiving if you're not familiar with them... it may seem like you'll be deepstacked for awhile but really you won't be and will need to be making moves & accumulating after 1st break (if you want to win them).

Here's a schedule I play on there.... but all times have been set to PT (Pacific Time).. so you'll have to convert them for yourself (+3hrs. for Stars server time). I'll play this on a weekday though... not on the weekends (schedule alters slightly on different days but many of them are standard (run on every day.. same time).
The larger BOLD ones are the ones you might be interested in... or are referring to.

8:40 $2 (TURBO $5Kguar.) 3,000/5min.
9:00 $3 [$7.5Kguar.] 3,000/10min.
*10:00 $5 [$20Kguar.] 3,000/15min. (~600 of 4,000 pd.)
10:40 $2 (TURBO $12Kguar.) 2,000/5min.
11:00 $3 [$5Kguar.] 3,000/10min.
*11:00 $11 Daily Forty Grand ($40Kguar.) 3,000/10min. (~750 of 5,200 pd)
11:15 $3rebuy ($60Kguar.)
11:20 $4 (TURBO $7.5Kguar.) 3,000/5min.
12:00 $5 (TURBO, $20Kguar.) 2,000/5min.
*12:15 $11 [$20Kguar.] 3,000/10min. (~350 of 2,500pd.)
12:40 $2 [$5Kguar.] 3,000/10min. (~540 of 4,500pd.)
*1:00 $8 [$12Kguar.] 3,000/10min. (~350 of 2,200 pd.)
1:35 $5 [2R-1A, $25Kguar.] 2,500/10min.
3:00 $5 rebuy ($50Kguar.) (~540 of 3,000 pd.)
2:00 $2.75 [$12.5Kguar.] 3,000/15min. (~900 of 6,000pd.)
2:40 $4 [$6Kguar.] 3,000/10min. (~250 of 2,200pd.)
*4:00 $11 [$25Kguar.] 3,000/15min. (~290 of 2,500pd.)
5:00 $3rebuy ($40Kguar.) (~540 of 3,800pd.)
5:15 $2 [$2Kguar.] 3,000/15min. (~360 of 2,400pd.)
5:15 $5 [2R1A, $8Kguar.] 2,500/10min. (~124 of 850pd.)
5:40 $8 (TURBO, $16Kguar.) 2,000/5min. (~320 of 2,500 pd)
6:00 $4 [$3Kguar.] 3,000/10min. (~140 of 1,300pd.)
*6:15 $11 [$12Kguar.] 3,000/10min. (~230 of 1,600pd.)
6:40 $2 [1R-1A, $6Kguar.] 3,000/10min. (~300 of 2,610pd.)
8:40 $3 [1R-1A, $5Kguar.] 3,000/10min. (~150 of 1,365)
10:00 $3 [$5Kguar.] 3,000/15min. (~500 of 2,400pd.)

Tyler Collins said:

Than they are a lot more luck than sitting down and actually being able to play your game.

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being nice here when saying.. this ^ type of thinking is flawed imo. One always needs to alter 'their game' depending upon table dynamics.. whether that be 'structure', type of opponents, stage of tourney, etc. 'My game', is different for each scenario. Maybe you were referring to>> "actually being able to play some more post-flop poker" <??

You're welcome for the list (have you seen it yet??). Have you started playing on there yet.... cuz last I checked you haven't play a game on stars yet (unless perhaps it was today).

JEP's advice above is very good imo.... alot of the lower buyin $3 & $4 mtts are 3,000chip 15 or 10min. blinds & if you're able to hang in there for the first hour, accumulate some in the 2nd hr., the play actually can get half decent. I've noticed that ~1/2 the players on the tables once you're deep in those are MTT regs. with avg. buyin alot higher than $4 or $5. The other day (on a weekday mind you.. during the daytime hrs.) I had players on one of my tables where every single player had a +ROI, some of them ranging in profit between $5k & over $100k. They're obviously playing them because they're +EV (and don't take a whole lot of focus/concentration in early levels).

I met a guy on here last year who was just getting started. He got a staking deal to hammer away at the $1 & $2 mtt's on Stars (& the $2 -180's). He persevered and after 3mos. he had a couple of big scores ($2k x 2, and some others ~$500)... all just from playing <$3 buyins (but he did put in some huge volume, playing ~15mtt's per day, and 20 mtt/sng's).

Hmm.... I think I'll have a go at a bunch tomorrow. Actually, I think I'll copy/paste that list above & play all of them, lol.

So,... how'd it go? How's it going?

Any in particular you prefer?

Your list is actually pretty close to what I play when I play full day sessions PO.

I play pretty much every guaranteed tourny between $1-$5 and most of the big guaranteed $8=$12 tournies.

Hey Guys,
Sorry I did not take the time to come back and check this...
I signed up at Poker PWNAGE for training and have been playing all types of MTT's on both FT and PS with great results.

Im also starting to play a fairly decent amount on PS as well. PO, Your list is great for someone depositing a few hundred dollars. Although I stay away from most games on PS that have 10min blind levels all the way through. If they start at 10 mins and then move to 12 and 15 min levels-thats great. But 10 mins all the way through becomes a crapshoot toward the end.
And that Deepstack 30 min levels is my favourite tournament on stars at the moment-It does slow down huge after the bubble is broken, but it only takes about 4-5 hours to make it into the money, and if youre playing a lot of MTTs its a good one to have going while youre loading up the quicker level games-especially if youre gonna play for 12+ hours.

8Michael3 said:

PO, Your list is great for someone depositing a few hundred dollars. .

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Doubting anything I say I think is pretty much '-EV' (joking).
I'm pretty sure I've only played one of those 30min. level tourneys (but thought I'd want to play in more of them). I managed to cash but I think I was in there for over 7hrs. & at the 7hr. mark we were still really deep. I remember one hand I played in.... I woke up w AA... one guy who'd been raising constantly opens ahead of me & instead of 3-betting him I decide to just ship the pile.. over 50bb's with AA... he snaps for 5/6th's of his stack with QJs.. the AA holds and then I was stuck there for another hr.

I'm actually liking the 'Turbos' on there with 5min. levels. (3,000 or 2,000 starting stacks). If you've got a decent shove/fold game, these tourneys are pretty decent. You're ITM in no time & takes very little focus with a bunch of tables opened.

Also, with the $3 & $4 dollar mtt's on Stars, like I said above somewhere, you really get ALOT of good players on your table as the tourney progresses (usually.... but not always). Some don't like this (you make $'s from all the fishies.. yah yah yah.. whatever) but personally I prefer this because when there's just toooooo many overaggro-spews & loose callingstations the table turns into a homegame with 5 players seeing a flop even in later levels (no thanks)... and game becomes more about ABC/pray for good hands to play & have them hold up (< boring but necessary imo). In comparison to say a $2 or $3 mtt on Fulltilt, you can be deep in one of those & still 90% of the players on your table suck azz. I'm assuming it's because on Stars, alot of the low buyin MTT regs. (avg. buyin $15-$25 sort of player) also add in the $3 & $4 mtt's, whereas on Fulltilt you really don't see many good MTT players in any of the super micro donkament stuff (except for the micro rebuys $2 & $3 where you might find a bunch).

Damn... I'm getting pumped. Might have to put off work for another day (why do today what you can put off til' tomorrow?) and load up some MTT's.
8Michael3, wonderin' what your sn is on Stars? (so I can 3-bet ya light if I see ya)... and you too there Tyler.... would be cool to know if I'm bumping into you on a table on Stars.

TJCollins88 on PS
Dyepaintball088 on FT