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i play on lock poker, and my regular game is $22 bounty sng's, 9 max...you would think at this level players would play a little more advanced, but lately there have been at least 4 players at each game that just hand their chips away to other players, they shove 10-5 off, Q6 etc...some players even shove every single hand once they have the chip lead even when the blinds are still small compared to stacks...because of these players playing like this, i tightened up my range to only premiums that i wouldnt mind getting it in preflop against these retards, but even when i pick up premiums there is something that still makes them win, somehow they draw out on me with some stupid hand, or if i happen to pick up a pair of tens preflop, i can limp in knowing that the idiot will go all in and i can call, but then he wakes up with QQ of course...i feel like i cant catch a break in this game, im a solid player with 78 ability and 30% ROI but lately ive been on a losing streak because of how my competition plays, any advice??
 
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If you cant beat em, join em.
 
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Don't play these games. If you see those guys registered, don't!! I can't understand that play. I do a lot of shoving all in, but only when I am low stacked and less than 10BB. Might be interesting to keep a chart of their entries versus their winnings to see if they are making a profit. But it sounds like this is messing with your mind, so get out. If your chart shows that they are losing you may be in a better mind set. Bovada has nice SNGs, try that for awhile.
 
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they shove 10-5 off, Q6 etc...some players even shove every single hand (...) because of these players playing like this, i tightened up my range to only premiums
When you have a read that a particular player shoves this wide, don't tighten up - on the contrary, widen your calling range to like 20-30% of all hands, something like almost any ace, any two broadway and almost any pair. Yes, it will greatly increase your variance, but you will be in good the majority of times.
Sometimes, even often, they will draw out on you, and there will be losing streaks, but in the long run you will have positive EV against those players.
But you must be prepared to endure the higher variance, make sure you have the roll for it.

Edit: As LeanAndMean says, you must also consider if you are mentally prepared to take the variance, if you choose to play those guys this way. If a couple of bad beats in a row makes you tilt, don't go there. Find another game instead. If you can avoid variance messing with your mind, those players are very exploitable.
 
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Don't play these games. If you see those guys registered, don't!! I can't understand that play. I do a lot of shoving all in, but only when I am low stacked and less than 10BB. Might be interesting to keep a chart of their entries versus their winnings to see if they are making a profit. But it sounds like this is messing with your mind, so get out. If your chart shows that they are losing you may be in a better mind set. Bovada has nice SNGs, try that for awhile.

Are u for real?
I say join and play. What more can u ask from ur opponents than spewtards like this?? God
 
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agree with L&M it sounds like they're getting to your head . surely you do not believe that kinda play can keep winning long term . it's just variance and it goes with the game no matter what they're beating you with . as a solid player one of your critical skills is not tilting over short term results . I like the advice megl gave , a lil to wide for me personally but good idea . I love it when a bunch of over aggressive players are in my SnGs but I try not to get caught up in anything to big unless forced . they usually get put out fast or take many innocent victims out early .

stay strong .
 
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i play on lock poker, and my regular game is $22 bounty sng's, 9 max...you would think at this level players would play a little more advanced, but lately there have been at least 4 players at each game that just hand their chips away to other players, they shove 10-5 off, Q6 etc...some players even shove every single hand once they have the chip lead even when the blinds are still small compared to stacks...because of these players playing like this, i tightened up my range to only premiums that i wouldnt mind getting it in preflop against these retards, but even when i pick up premiums there is something that still makes them win, somehow they draw out on me with some stupid hand, or if i happen to pick up a pair of tens preflop, i can limp in knowing that the idiot will go all in and i can call, but then he wakes up with QQ of course...i feel like i cant catch a break in this game, im a solid player with 78 ability and 30% ROI but lately ive been on a losing streak because of how my competition plays, any advice??

The same thing happens to me. No matter how I counter them, it doesn't seem to work.
 
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The same thing happens to me. No matter how I counter them, it doesn't seem to work.

Probs employing the completely wrong counter strategy would be my educated guess.
 
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That is standard play in a lot of the micro micro micro stakes I play. Just wait for your spot and take the gamble.
 
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That is standard play in a lot of the micro micro micro stakes I play. Just wait for your spot and take the gamble.
^^^^^They will pay you off sooner that later!!!:boxing:
 
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Really high chance that if you think people are shoving too often in an SNG, you aren't shoving enough yourself. If people are shoving too wide then call when you have equity vs. their range and fold when you don't. There are certainly times in SNGs when you should be shoving literally every hand.

There is no advanced poker to learn to play SNGs, just be a better shove/fold bot than everyone else.
 
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In a large MTT i will just let these players commit suicide and knock themselves out because this is pretty standard at the micros.
 
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They do get to be annoying, every hand AI. Let them burn themselves, sweep up the ashes when they leave.
 
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it is getting to my head, especially when i get aces and am overly delighted to see that they are still shoving, and i call and get cracked by KT or some shit, which makes me think its set up, or these are the luckiest players ive ever seen, and I dont know why they dont take their shot at the lottery if they are that lucky? i guess it is getting to my head a little, but it makes me feel better to look them up on sharkscope.com and see their graph is a straight downspike and they are -5K....so i know these aren't winning players, ive also been playing a lot less since i started running horrible
 
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Yeah, you need to widen you calling range. You have to take advantage of the bad players at the table while they are still there. If not, some other good player will. And he'll be a lot harder to get those chips off.
 
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yeah well what if the guy directly on your left is 3 betting your every raise, or shoving to your every cbet, and you're missing constanly with AQ, AK etc. there is nothing i can do but dwindle away to this guy
 
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yeah well what if the guy directly on your left is 3 betting your every raise, or shoving to your every cbet, and you're missing constanly with AQ, AK etc. there is nothing i can do but dwindle away to this guy

This should be in BBV. Don't raise fold, don't cbet fold. Only put in chips for value and fist pump call with 2nd pair or better. Easy game.
 
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i was having a good run on Carbon $2.20, 10 handed bounties, obviously much lower stakes, but made like $60, however, recently i lost back $20 ... variance, of course, but the funny thing is that the tourneys were changed from 10 handed to 9 handed and then i started losing

i guess the point is, don't let anything get in your head ... just play your game ... nothing wrong is changing games, but don't get psyched out and don't beat yourself up for thinking something's up ... just quickly realize it's variance or variance + you getting thrown off your game
 
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I agree with megl, i think you open up your range and not tighten it. I think opening up your game you give yourself a fighting chance. I have seen too many times where a person has tightened up and finally hit AA and shove and get called by suited connectors and get beat. I also think by opening your range that when you do have the monster and it holds you probably will double up or triple up and then you can close your range if you prefer.
 
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The other thing you have to take into account is you will rarely get your money in better than 80% favourite pre flop. So you have to accept those swings, you can't just run away from them, especially in a SNG. You have to put him on a range of hands(if they are doing it A LOT, you widen the range) and if you think the hand you have is significantly better than the average, depending on the blinds, you have to call(if it's 100bbs wait for a monster, if it's 10-15 bb a bit fair better than his average and at less than 10 bb you wouldn't need much especially if you are the bb) . He could turn over AA but that's the luck of the draw.

And against these super aggressive players, as has been mentioned you need to slow play them and if they are loose passive you have value bet them. If I'm out of position against a loose aggressive player I'll generally just check every street to him. Let him raise, cold call/check raise if too many draws. Absolutely forget bluffing these guys(this included continuation bets when you miss). Poker is about playing the players not the cards. You need to learn to adapt to different tables. At each table there is an optimal way of playing.

Against a loose aggressive player a good idea is to try to keep the pot small while sticking around to the end if possible. These guys are trying to make their money in 2 ways: by bluffing at the pot and when they do hit they double up. Keeping the pot small and playing to the end means they don't get to double up if they hit and they don't get the small pots from bluffs.
 
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There is nothing more i hate than someone shoving every hand. The poher sites should find someway to moniter the people who do and remove them from the site or aleast the freerolls.
 
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I was playing in a 9man PLO SNG on Stars yesterday and had a maniac Russion to my right and he raised every single hand, it was so annoying, but I bided my time until I had a good hand and cleaned him out.
The key to playing maniacs is patience, waiting for the right hand. It wont work every time of course but over time there is only one winner, you :D
 
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I was playing in a 9man PLO SNG on Stars yesterday and had a maniac Russion to my right and he raised every single hand, it was so annoying, but I bided my time until I had a good hand and cleaned him out.
The key to playing maniacs is patience, waiting for the right hand. It wont work every time of course but over time there is only one winner, you :D
Good one Colin!!!;)
 
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Thanks Leon, since all my US friends have been prevented from playing on Stars it has been taken over by Russians and assorted eastern europeans and they are all completely mad, overbets and allins every hand, so I have learnt how to play against them after a few costly lessons. I think they drink too much vodka :D:D
 
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I wish I found more of these.
 
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