PCA packages on Pokerstars

Okay.. i'm not usually the kind of player to cry about bad beats and go whine about them on forums and accuse my opponents of being bots.. actually i never played with these users .. but i observe a lot of tables, and lately especially the PCA pakacges satellites on stars. and there is something weird going on there..

Like I said, I have been observing the PCA sattelites, cash, going from the 82 to the 700$ ones, and most of the time THE SAME FEW PLAYERS KEEP WINNING THEM.. There is TheLipoFund.. this guy has at least won 5 or 6 packages from the ones i only seen.. rdcrsn.. ImDaNuts.. RenRad01.. last sunday the 10 PCA packages GTD tourney had 5 of them already won the packages before.. just check the number of PCA sat Qualifiers, and all the packages offered by PS in the cash sats ( if u can get to know how much total they gave away).. you will see it's somthing like 336 qualifiers for maybe 500 Pckges offered or more.
I don't mind players winning over and over and over, good for them, they are good, lucky, whatever.. but what pisses me off is pokerstars letting them play again in these sattelites after they qualified and crediting them with 16k T-Money.

I mean, PS is really strict about not letting players unregistering from the package after winning it, still they are crediting T-Money to these players like it's free candy in hallooween.. so is it really fair to let players who have already won - MULTIPLE TIMES - packages, to play in them again, thus reducing the chances for other players who actually want to play in the PCA.. WHY would they do that, knowing that it is ABSOLUTELY not an option to unregister from a package and credit T-Money once you win it ... it's become a freaking joke everytime i see these guys milking these sats.

i don't want to talk conspiracy but something fishy is going on there.

anyone else noticing this ? your thoughts ?

Yeah I actually noticed this as well.

I kind of wondered about how or why they're allowed to exchange for the T$ as well but didn't really look into it myself.

I assume stars and the people who participate in them don't see it as a big deal otherwise I would assume some type of uproar would have already had happened by now.

this is just something I came across while viewing results on the internet though.

what? a lot of them are high stakes met regs, course they jump at soft satties, be absurd to prevent them playing. + it sounds like they will have to play at PCA anyway so its all fair, not allowing them to play would be player pool segregation and way unfair.

duggs said:

what? a lot of them are high stakes met regs, course they jump at soft satties, be absurd to prevent them playing. + it sounds like they will have to play at PCA anyway so its all fair, not allowing them to play would be player pool segregation and way unfair.

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I think what he means is they are somehow bending the rules and allowing all the high stakes mtt regs to continually participate in these, bink a seat, then unreg for the $16K T$ even though it states in the tourney lobby before you play the tourney that you would be unable to unreg from the target event.

but thats because they have already won a seat

duggs said:

but thats because they have already won a seat

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yeah obviously lol

but it says in the tourney lobby of the $700sat (and even as you reg it) that you will not be able to unregister for the target event should you win a seat/package which is what is probably throwing OP off (and me as well but I could care less as I will not be playing any $700 satty's anytime soon lol )

apparently there is some type of change in policy after you have already binked a package or something

Well you obviously can win packages twice, so getting tourney dollars seems obv

Yeah the top player's aren't only going for the package they are also trying to get the tourney $ because it is some valuable stuff, I already knew this before just looking at the top mtt players online and I don't see why they should not be allowed to win multiple packages it's a smart strategy, Plus if you are going for the package naturally it is kind of some stress off knowing you are going for multiple wins anyways

Once you win a package/seat you can still play a satty and win again for T$.

I've done it before (Not for huge packages like this) and you will find a lot of high stake regs playing the high stakes sattys for their seat and to then try and win extra T$. There nothing fishy or bad at all about it, it's very common.

The players you mentioned, are all high stake MTT pros.

I dont 100% agree with allowing it, I can see why though.

A player I played an event with last year told me he had won 17 UKIPT Galway packages. It just makes getting seats to live events super tough for the fish that want to play them, personally I like to see fish winning stuff.

yea but on the flip side a lot of those satties wouldn't run if pros could only win once, playing dual satties would be a huge no

duggs said:

Well you obviously can win packages twice, so getting tourney dollars seems obv

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yes, pretty obvious lol

i guess the OP's question is should they be allowed to enter after winning a seat already.

obviously pokerstars answer is yes as well


lol also just caught the last part of OP's post talking about some type of conspiracy, I don't think that is the case.

Pretty obvious if conditions say you have to be able to play the target event,
no unreg and no alternatives will be offered then that is the way it should be.

Nothing to stop them wasting their money entering again but the prize SHOULD be worthless unless they really want to have 2 or 3 hotel rooms at their disposal and 2 or 3 non transferable tickets to the main event in their pocket.

Good luck running these satties without the regs to prob them up then

You also effectively prevent people multitabling them, nice

While I don't have any real issue with allowing players who have won packages to continue trying to win more, how hard would it be to have both types, open to all and restricted to players who have yet to win a seat?

On balance, I think it is a good thing that PokerStars allows people to play for multiple packages. It provides greater liquidity and allows PokerStars to run more satellites and guarantee more packages.

theLipofund is a world class player and big time 2p2er maybe he is actually,... wait for it,.... BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

same with ImDaNuts

same with rdcrsn

this thread is retarded try opr and sharkscope or hell just google them you idiot

and yah im not sorry for being a ***** but this is so dumb your shocked that world class players win a lot of the time,........

like seriously dude,....


COMEON!!!

thats not what he said at all……..

rumsey182 said:

theLipofund is a world class player and big time 2p2er maybe he is actually,... wait for it,.... BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

same with ImDaNuts

same with rdcrsn

this thread is retarded try opr and sharkscope or hell just google them you idiot

and yah im not sorry for being a ***** but this is so dumb your shocked that world class players win a lot of the time,........

like seriously dude,....


COMEON!!!

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ahhh.. are you retarded or something ? can you even read ? obviously you didn't understand s**t of the point of my thread.. so unless you have an intresting thought that is related to the subject refrain yourself from talking s**t.
but i am going to be patient and explain the point of the thread to you mr. brainiac.

the point of my rant isn't about the players, i know at what level these players are at, they are elite, and sure if i was at their level and had the $$ i'll be playing these satties , it's completely legit on the player's part to play these satties for a shot at the extra 16k after they have already won a seat, it's not cheating.. its is smart..


my problem is with pokerstars allowing players who have won seats to play again , thus:
- reducing chances for new players who actually want to play in the PCA to have a shot at it..
- contradicting pokerstar's own policy concerning these satties (unregistration strictly not permitted)
- also, it won't help the PCA prize pool if these players keep taking T-money, instead of it being put into the actual tourney. say there's about 600 Packages Gtd for the PCA.. that's 6M already in prize pool.. now with these players winning multiple packages, there's maybe 450 seat.. 1.5M less. It is generally not good for the purpose of the PCA, wich is having as much players and as diverse as possible.

Do you get my point now ? i really hope you do because i can't make it any clearer

poker dude said:

my problem is with pokerstars allowing players who have won seats to play again , thus:
- reducing chances for new players who actually want to play in the PCA to have a shot at it..
- contradicting pokerstar's own policy concerning these satties (unregistration strictly not permitted)
- also, it won't help the PCA prize pool if these players keep taking T-money, instead of it being put into the actual tourney. say there's about 600 Packages Gtd for the PCA.. that's 6M already in prize pool.. now with these players winning multiple packages, there's maybe 450 seat.. 1.5M less. It is generally not good for the purpose of the PCA, wich is having as much players and as diverse as possible.

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I think that you are assuming that fewer PCA seats and hotel rooms are available via satellite when players are permitted to win multiple PCA packages and convert them to tournament dollars. I don't believe this is correct.

My understanding is that PokerStars will set aside a certain number of PCA seats and hotel rooms to be given away via satellite. If a player wins a second package, he will simply receive the value of that package in tourney dollars and the corresponding seat and hotel room will go back into the satellite prize pool. Accordingly, there should be no reduction in the total number of PCA packages available to other players.

I think that you are also assuming that the money for these PCA satellite packages is coming out of PokerStars pockets. Unless these PCA satellites are running with an overlay, the money is actually coming from the other players participating in the satellite tournament. Whether a person is awarded a seat, hotel room, or T$ is simply a matter of accounting on PokerStars end.

Allright Ivan thanks for clearing that up .. yeah it's more fair that way.