Overall general direction needed for MTT's

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Okay so ive only been back in the poker world for a few weeks now. I started out in ring games (faired alright), then moved to SnG's and again I can hold my own. So in the past few days I've been dabbling with MTT's in the hopes of cashing bigger.

Anyway, here's an example of an MTT. (note all of this is made up but generally how it goes down)

$2 + 0.20 buyin NLHE; 160 entrants; rebuy and 1 addon; 1500 starting chips

I start out playing strong. Playing strictly ABC and hitting big on premium hands. Let's say we're at around 100 entrants remaining. Im sitting in 3rd with about 30k. At this point, im still trying to play abc and hit big on AA, AK, KK, AQ, KQ, QQ etc.

But herein lies the problem. I find myself checking the lobby and within 20 minutes im now in 9th. Havent played any hands so im not making bad calls or anything. Im just not getting dealt anything half decent to play. So while I may still have 30k, the top of the lobby are now sitting around 60 to 70k. I wait and wait, possibly even dabbling with a 10 Qs or two and maybe a 78s or 55. And without much luck im now sitting at around 25th.

This repeats for a while until eventually im sitting on an average stack as opposed to the top guys sitting at, sometimes, over 100k at this point. I watch sometimes and see they are sometimes calling big preflop raises with 10 4s and such and hitting the flop perfectly.

So to end this giant rant, what is it im doing wrong? Am I just not getting a good ending to these things or should I really loosen up halfway through? Also, how do these guys make such calls (20x BB preflop raises) with very mediocre-low hands?

I really wanna get into these MTT's and learn all there is to learn. But it just seems impossible. I look at some of the threads on here and see guys consistently placing in the top 10-20 and wondering what it is you do to make this happen?

Any help would realllllly be appreciated as im loving this but really need a nice cash or two to continue on. Thanks in advance for anyone that actually read this whole thing, let alone throws advice my way. :confused:
 
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What you describe is very typical. You only need a couple of double ups and you're back near the top.
Also, those people winning with 104, who are they up against? I imagine it is short stacks that they can afford to gamble against. Having said that you do need a bit of luck to progress sometimes.
I suggest playing some ultra cheap MTTs to get more of a feel for the game.
 
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Well yeah thats what im playing. $1, $2, and sometimes a 3. And honestly some of these guys are goin up against my AK with lets say J3o and hittin 2 pair on the flop. Stacks are Hero: 32k Villain: 56k...100% example. too late to dig for a real representation
 
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be more aggressive, look for more open and 3bet, 4bet spots, isolate limpers with a looser range (especially if they play fit/fold post)
 
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Well yeah thats what im playing. $1, $2, and sometimes a 3. And honestly some of these guys are goin up against my AK with lets say J3o and hittin 2 pair on the flop. Stacks are Hero: 32k Villain: 56k...100% example. too late to dig for a real representation

I mean 2c 10c and 25c games
 
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Definitely be more aggresive. There's no other choice when you are in that spot. Or else you will dwindle like you always do. Also make sure you are picking the right people to use your big stack against!
 
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Look for spots to win without cards. Get it in bad more often.
 
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Look for spots to win without cards. Get it in bad more often.

And stop watching the lobby. Instead use that time to make notes on what you are observing at the table you are at.
 
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Yea I wouldnt worry about the lobby as someone above said one or 2 double up and you are right there with them. Keep your image right so that youre able to take some pots regardless of the cards, some of these folks are well tuned MTT machines and can do that at will
 
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So to end this giant rant, what is it im doing wrong? Am I just not getting a good ending to these things or should I really loosen up halfway through? Also, how do these guys make such calls (20x BB preflop raises) with very mediocre-low hands?


I think this is what people are referring too, that 20x raise makes it a very difficult decision for you to call unless you have the monsters, but I might be wrong too 20xbb sees really out of line but who knows .
 
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So you weren't dealt any good cards for a couple of orbits and fell from 3rd to 9th. So? How and how much does that matter in the overall tournament picture?

It's not completely meaningless, but baring unusual circumstances, it's not important. Most if not all of the larger stacks are likely to be at other tables anyway, so how does focusing on them help you? Concentrate on the opponents you're actually playing, i.e. the ones at your table.
 
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Yeah I suppose it doesnt help to always check where I stand. I just thought you wanted to keep an eye on the big picture. Definitely gonna try to be more aggressive when it gets to that point next time. Because like I said, I always start strong so I have the first half of the MTT down .pretty good. Just need the important part lol, the closer! Thanks guys. Any more advice is always welcome
 
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214 entrants. Sittin with 40k and 14 ppl. Took the advice here and learned to play a bit looser half way through. A few ups and downs but im hangin in there! Will post the results.
 
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9th. Eh at least I hit the final table
 
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Yeah I suppose it doesnt help to always check where I stand. I just thought you wanted to keep an eye on the big picture. Definitely gonna try to be more aggressive when it gets to that point next time. Because like I said, I always start strong so I have the first half of the MTT down .pretty good. Just need the important part lol, the closer! Thanks guys. Any more advice is always welcome
One tournament isn't the big picture. Not even close. You'll probably play thousands over the long run, so that's the much bigger picture.
 
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I found myself in the same position awhile back and to combat it I played a few play money MTT's. Its almost the same as playing a micro stakes mtt in so much that most folks play like they have nothing on the line in a low buy in tourney. Its just as good a place as any to practice the same skills and once you consistently make the final table on the play money tables you can translate the same thing to the micro stakes MTT's....just a suggestion.
 
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Stick with playing tight as you said "ABC" but theres gonna come a time where you still need to accumulate chips in order to stay atop the chipstacks. Pick your spots well and dont be afraid to gamble with some hands. I had this problem aswell and was almost folding my way to a min cash or barely making FTs. Waiting for a big hand to play almost always goes wrong for me. Not that im saying bully the shorter stacks but they will be shoving and looking for a dlb up with a wide range of hands. sometimes hands you wouldnt play early you should mix it up and bit and take risks. you will need the chips for final tables and once antes come into play. goodluck and I hope I helped some.:)
 
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Look for opportunities to chip up. If it's folded to you on the button or the cutoff and you know the players in the blinds are really tight, no matter what your hand is, you can raise and make an attempt to steal their blinds, because there's a good chance that both of them are going to fold.

This is why it's important to know who your opponent is, and why having profiling software is so helpful.
 
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Flop: Can't use profiling software. I play on bovada. Maybe one day ill try another site but for now im just stickin with one. Thanks for the help guys. Every day is gettin a little easier.
 
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Flop: Can't use profiling software. I play on bovada. Maybe one day ill try another site but for now im just stickin with one. Thanks for the help guys. Every day is gettin a little easier.

You should really consider playing elsewhere imo.

Not allowing HUDs is one point against that site but there are several other issues, too.
 
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You should really consider playing elsewhere imo.

Not allowing HUDs is one point against that site but there are several other issues, too.

Speaking of HUDS, do you know any that are free to download and work with BetOnUSA (a Merge skin)?
 
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Speaking of HUDS, do you know any that are free to download and work with BetOnUSA (a Merge skin)?

Being non-US I really don't know, sorry.

There are trial versions of Pokertracker (PT) and Holdem-Manager (HEM) available, though.

These two are clearly the best and if you consider depositing at some point I'd rather use part of that money on a HUD.
 
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Got my power back earlier today.

Now sittin in a dollar mtt. 51 left. Im in 2nd at the moment. Feels good to have internet again!
 
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