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neilv93

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How should you use it, when and is it ever effective?
 
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This all depends on the stakes I am playing, table image, stack sizes and opp.

There are many times I like to do this however. Some examples would be:

To get max value from drawing hands on the turn and fold out weaker holdings.
To set up a river shove that is more comfortable for villain to call, eg. Pot to stack ratio is such it looks natural.
To get max value on te river when villains range is inelastic and I hold a nutted hand, he either has close to nyts and is calling anyway or air and can't call even a small bet.
To put villain to big decision in a hand where I feel he has me beat but still has only a marginal holding. The advantage here is that he is almost always facing a shove on the river when I do this on the turn so he cannot call to wide. This only works against thinking players however and I would not recommend doing this against unknowns or at micro stakes.

There are other occasions but these are probably the most common. Once you have demonstrated a capacity to do this with air one time you can also get looked up pretty wide when you have it by a weaker but still thinking player. So I may do this in smaller pots with air/weak holdings against average players in order to increase the chance of a call when I have a nutted hand if I feel I will be playing with them for some time.
 
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It depends on the player or players on the table. You can use it in numerous ways. Usually, to get max value out of your hand. But, sometimes when you bluff and you know the other player is weak and you know he won't call, you would over bet in that situation.
 
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I always call them "wasted good hands" when a player comes out UTG and goes all in when the blinds are low. The pot isn't even worth a call. That's over betting. Hay some will do it and run into a big hand. At on time I thought all in was the best move you can make until I lost several BR like that. LOL
 
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It is a very rare thing to overbet the pot. I Can think of several ways it can be effective and where you shoudl and shouldnt use it.
Firstly, the most effective way to use it is when you have the nut hand and you are playing against a loose player who doenst give you much respect, especially if you have been playing loose yourself this could end up being a big pay off. Something like betting ALL IN when you have hit the nuts on the river by hitting a gutshot straight or a flush card to give you the nuts.
Secondly, you could use this as a bluff. If you are playing against some rather tight players and need to act as though you have hit the nuts when the flush card hits the river just to give the perception of you having the nuts. This is the best way to get the bluff to take hold, although and overbet vs a value bet on the river when you have the nuts is a risky endevour, you have to make sure you are bluffing a person that can be bluffed first of all, and you have to make sure you have represented the hand appropriately, sometimes this can come to be by mistake and just so happens you called the flop and checked the turn and notice that a flush draw is available with a river card completing the flush possibility, or you could notice it on the flop and play to the fact that you CAN represent the flush if it happens to hit, in this case an overbet could be very effective to take down a big pot, if you dont put your opponent on the flush as well or any other nut hand you are trying to reprsent (flush being the easiest to represent).
Lastly, An overbet could be used early in a hand to represent a bigger hand when a weaker player bets out of position, If you raise a big raise on the flop early in the hand it can easily take the player off of their hand giving them no pot odds to call early in the hand without draws and just a top pair or so with not so great of a kicker. This is usually done without using an ALL IN because you dont want to put all your chips at risk unnecessarily. If you do this bluff or even bet this scenario i would do it by betting something like 4x the pot after the player has made a 1/3-pot size bet on the flop. If you decide to use the overbet use it sparingly and only in certain situations as i have described above. I would stress using it mostly just in isolated situations because if you do it with multiple people in the hand it just gives them a chance to be holding the actual hand you are trying to reprsent. Good luck and try your best to use it effectively in limitted situations.
 
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I like to use half time of my timebank on the river and then just overbet huuge when i have the nuts/near nuts on the river.

You'll be surprised to see how much players fall for that and make an angry call :D :D
 
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I use it for get more chips from the opponent, it looks like bluff, very bad bluff.
 
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Over betting...hmmm
Over betting is a strat that should be used in a very specific situation that you will most likely not hear from most here not that a lot of regs here don't know how it should be used.
This is a strategy very seldom used profitably, and very seldom understood.
This is a very powerful strategy used by lesser skilled players to take advantage of more skilled players when known how to use it properly...bear with me.
when a lesser skilled player confronts skilled players most assume a push or fold strategy... this is not necessarily the most profitable strategy.
The best strategy to confront skilled players is to use the OVER BET strategy. I will explain.
when skilled players are confronted with over bets they genuinely are confused as to your experience as opposed to you going all in. they dont know if you're inexperienced or just don't know how to bet...this has been proven by the pro's themselves. By over betting you are putting doubt into their minds as oppossed to them just thinking you're a donk. most skilled players will only call or raise with premium hands or fold, not so with regular 3 bet raises or shoves, they feel more comfortable calling or raising to those because thats what their used to. make sure your over bets are the same whether you genuinely have a made hand or are just speculating on a drawing hand....it will confuse them just the same. PM me if you would like more specifics on this strategy
 
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Over betting...hmmm
Over betting is a strat that should be used in a very specific situation that you will most likely not hear from most here not that a lot of regs here don't know how it should be used.
This is a strategy very seldom used profitably, and very seldom understood.
This is a very powerful strategy used by lesser skilled players to take advantage of more skilled players when known how to use it properly...bear with me.
when a lesser skilled player confronts skilled players most assume a push or fold strategy... this is not necessarily the most profitable strategy.
The best strategy to confront skilled players is to use the OVER BET strategy. I will explain.
when skilled players are confronted with over bets they genuinely are confused as to your experience as opposed to you going all in. they dont know if you're inexperienced or just don't know how to bet...this has been proven by the pro's themselves. By over betting you are putting doubt into their minds as oppossed to them just thinking you're a donk. most skilled players will only call or raise with premium hands or fold, not so with regular 3 bet raises or shoves, they feel more comfortable calling or raising to those because thats what their used to. make sure your over bets are the same whether you genuinely have a made hand or are just speculating on a drawing hand....it will confuse them just the same. PM me if you would like more specifics on this strategy
 
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It is very effective in final table especially preflop, check raise in EP and MP is a great play. Sometimes a limp before go All in, they commited enough their chip stacks to call. Limp with monster hand.
 
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hmmm

over betting.... can be a good move to make later in the tournament or you could just have set yourself up for failure. but debriz I agree it is very effective final table but be stealthy about it.
 
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