Originally Posted by Acemeister80
well thats sort of my point. most are saying JJ is fold (which i kinda agree on), but i cant see QQ being a fold. But QQ doesnt significantly effect ur odds against his range. unless someone can explain otherwise....
Yes... I agree with you. But since it is do dang close with JJ then just that added extra equity of having QQ makes it a profitable shove.... And shoving with the queens I wouldn't be excited to do it, I would just feel it is necessary.... Kind of like splitting 8s in blackjack
... Don't love doing it, but it's better than your other options.
As far as evaluating their range and how JJ and QQ fare differently vs. villains range.... It really sucks that it's your first hand at this table and therefore you have no read. When I have no read, I play it safe and assume they are a decent player and basically just assign them my own range for what I would do in their shoes.
In that case, facing 5 limpers in the button I would make that raise with QQ, KK, AA, AK and AQ. I would probably jam with TT or JJ and limp along with 99 or lower and fold AJ. So I'll assign his range QQ+ AK and AQ.
If I plug that range in it goes like this:
JJ = 42.4% to win
QQ = 45.5% to win
Then you add in the dead money, possible fold equity and the off chance they call you with some random weaker hand and it makes the queens just barely profitable...
Just my opinion of course