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I often face this case in the tourament,
In the middle to later of the tourament,
I only have 5-9 BB,
In that time,it seems that it is no use to call unless all in.
should I wait for the very good cards to all in?or all in with the not too bad cards.
sometimes all in with no good cards with no good cards,can steel some Blind ,but also lost for it often.
wait and wait the good cards,it is also make us disappointment.Unfortunately,sometimes we can't wait the good cards and make us lost. Or wait very late to only have 3-4BB below,lucky to win but also face another question.lucky to win a round but only have 5-6BB now,The situation did not improve .The good news is only that we lost the game a little later,make us earn a little more money.
How you do that in this case?
 
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I have read it 3 times and i still dont know !!
 
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I think he is asking questions about when to move all-in and with what hands he should move all-in. Actually if you are under 10BB and it is not near the bubble, you should all-in with a decent hand. If you have 5BB or less even if you double up, you are still short. For me, I will move all-in in late position with any pairs, AT-AK, suited ace... range in early position is a little tighter.

I am drunk so I may have made typos here...
 
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I think he is asking questions about when to move all-in and with what hands he should move all-in. Actually if you are under 10BB and it is not near the bubble, you should all-in with a decent hand. If you have 5BB or less even if you double up, you are still short. For me, I will move all-in in late position with any pairs, AT-AK, suited ace... range in early position is a little tighter.

I am drunk so I may have made typos here...
Yes,that is what I means.I am sorry for English is not my mother language.Sometimes,it is hard to express what I mean for my poor English.And I gree for moving all-in in late position with any pairs, AT-AK, suited ace....... But usually there is no chance for me with that cards.
 
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Waiting for AT+ with 5bb's is usually poor advice.
(depending a bit on ICM of course)

Just pick a spot and go all-in.
 
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Waiting for AT+ with 5bb's is usually poor advice.
(depending a bit on ICM of course)

Just pick a spot and go all-in.
I agree with you. There is such a thing as truth.But all in without good cards often have bad luck.So I wonder which would be the optimal choice.
 
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With this short of a stack in tournament play, I shove with any pair, any A, and any position.

If you don't have any callers and have a hand, I would even show the pair or nice hand you shove with. The thought behind that is that people will think you're shoving with good hands... Hope this helps.
 
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With this short of a stack in tournament play, I shove with any pair, any A, and any position.

If you don't have any callers and have a hand, I would even show the pair or nice hand you shove with. The thought behind that is that people will think you're shoving with good hands... Hope this helps.
Thank you .It is very useful.And Is TJs,T9s is good enough to all in ?
 
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With 10 bb's you do have one option to shoving. Unless you have already shown yourself to be a bad player, a normal raise of 3 bb's will often look stronger than a shove. You can not do this if you only have 5 bb's.
 
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I usually shove all good hands when I have around 12-15 BB. I don't like to wait until I have >10BB; it might be too late and someone are more likely to make the call with air and catch something due to it only being >10BB.
 
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Thank you .It is very useful.And Is TJs,T9s is good enough to all in ?

Yes, you have to keep your stack and try to steal whenever you can. Sometimes you will lose but that's poker.

Sometimes in the small blind or on the dealer button when you have less than 10bbs left you should go all in with any two cards to steal the blinds.

Your english is ok, we can work with it :)
 
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I think it depends on position even if you are the short stack. Also, you need to take into account how close to the bubble you are, how many people are at the table (6max, 10max etc.). If I'm on the small blind and I get an unopened pot with 7 or 8 big blinds, any face card is pretty much good enough to shove on. Under the gun at a 10max table, I'm looking for a mid pocket pair, or ace 10 or above.
 
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Also it depends on what you're playing and what other people's stack sizes are. I play a lot of double or nothing sit and goes. In the late stages, on the bubble, normally everyone is short stacked but you don't want to bubble a double or nothing. You do need to steal some blinds here and there but that's where position comes in.
 
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It's not necessarily about your cards. You have to look for good "spots" and make sure you have enough fold equity to start picking up blinds/antes BEFORE you start getting short stacked.
 
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I dont like to shove unless i have something to back it with but in this case late position might steal the blinds but early position might not have wanted to scare peaple away and blinds may be holding something good.The bad thing about shoveing is someone may call and you be walkin :eek:
 
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if you're already ITM and low stack, it's wise to play more aggresively and win some pots to build your stack
 
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I dont like to shove unless i have something to back it with but in this case late position might steal the blinds but early position might not have wanted to scare peaple away and blinds may be holding something good.The bad thing about shoveing is someone may call and you be walkin :eek:

Obviously we don't want a call since we'd rather keep our 100% equity but if they do call, we can still bink and double up.
 
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As mentioned before position and spots to move is a key factor here. your only choice imo is to move all in,and you cant wait for premium hands to do this,but that is where position comes in handy.
also to avoid being blinded out or getting to this point try to open up your range a little earlier in the tournament,and fint more spots to move faster and gain chips when the blinds start to increase.
 
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The spots you pick to shove are way more critical than the cards at this point. any suited A, pair from early, KJ and up from middle position. Any suited connectors above 7/8 or so from late to try to steal blinds. In live play, be more observant of the players on your left as well. Some times they may show as if they going to fold before it is their trun to act giving you a chance to shove uncontested. Sometimes a gut feeling too.

I look at it this way, any hand that I would normally play in a limped pot or a pot with a raise and a couple of callers during the beginning of a tourney is a hand that I would shove with when stack is short and blinds are climbing. Obviously at this point you need to get a little lucky either way. Sitting around waiting for premium hands would be worthless. You may finally get a premium hand and get busted out as well. Definitely need to open range and be aggressive.

When shoving later with weaker hands, my only rule is to be sure that I am the first into the pot. If there is a raise or shove in front of you , then yes, wait for a better spot unless you have a premium hand or decent pair. Otherwise you are playing bingo. then again you maybe playing bingo either way. Just don't CALL a raise or shove unless you have something decent that has at least a chance.

And BTW your english is better than my buddies and english IS there mother language. lol
 
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LMAO! I was thinking the same thing! haha!

You can shove with the "not so bad cards" in late positon. What really matters are the table dynamics and more importantly how the players perceive you and your game.:cool:
 
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I know exactly what are you talking about :) It happens to me often too. I dont have problems to built my stack in beginning of tourney most of times. But in later phase (close to bubble) I have problem to stay with average or above... I still have feeelings like I am card dead... Then its hard and I am forced to preflop allin actions, which I dont like :D
 
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