Originally Posted by WVHillbilly
Those post aren't pointless. The root of OPs issue comes from his play preflop. The rest of the hand only played out the way it did because of his preflop play. Fix that and OP is much better off.
I just meant in general the way he said "Fold Pre" isn't really helping out at all, but if he says raising/folding is better because....etc..
Originally Posted by Aldito
But calling pre is a huge problem, so there's no point in analysing the rest of the hand.
If he had had 72o would you still berate me for saying fold pre, or is it because K8 "worth seeing a flop with"? If he had had AA and limped would you say "raise pre", or "as played..."?
Evaluating part of a hand is irrelevant, when a mistake on a previous street is what led us to that situation.
I didn't mean to sound abrupt when I said it was a pointless post by the way, I know when I just looked back it did look a bit rude.
All I'm saying is that, why even post if you say aren't going to analyse the hand as you can still tell him what the best player post flop/turn/river here is in this situation with this hand for example.
It has nothing to do with what the cards are here, even if it was 7,2os I would of said the same thing because he still has a hand which requires some sort of play, it's to easy to say "fold pre" if we don't hit a favorable flop, as thats why they post the hands in the first place because it's a tricky situation which requires some thought process. He's hardly going to post a hand if he flops the nuts.
When you say there is no point in evaluating the hand because he made a mistake on a street previously then why do we have a forum for this exact reason?
Reasoning the best course of action required on each street and each part of the hand is what the posting hands is all about, to pin point errors during hand (sure it's an error limping pre) but there is plently I'm sure people can offer in terms of what he should/could of done post flop +
Again, if you say it's pointless to even evaluate the hand because you don't like his preflop limp then why bother even saying "fold pre" without giving reasons as to why it was a mistake, you may as well of just ignored the thread completely and let someone else answer what the best play on each and every street was.This is what the forum is for, exactly these sort of situations, not what to do with you have A,Q+/Q'Q+ as they are easy for anyone even a beginner to understand.