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Was playing in a low stake MTT today and several of the players claimed you don't need a strategy to win MTTs just "luck" on coinflips lol

I know that is not true but is this really how online players of today think and play wow
 
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Lol you ever play those 3x-turbo 1$ rebuys? No strategy basically defines those-at least the first 90 minutes. It's non-stop hell on wheels all in every hand for 90 minutes and if you don't get any hands it's the worst. But I would somewhat agree you don't need as much strategy against people who have none.
 
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Lol you ever play those 3x-turbo 1$ rebuys? No strategy basically defines those-at least the first 90 minutes. It's non-stop hell on wheels all in every hand for 90 minutes and if you don't get any hands it's the worst. But I would somewhat agree you don't need as much strategy against people who have none.
Isn't that a strategy...lol..
 
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lol, nope, u dont need much strategy against those kind of players, they just cant be so damn lucky every time
 
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One thing i've found is that the chip leader after a hour of play in low stake MTTs don't even final table

Note to anyone who thinks luck is a major factor in MTTs
 
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It is basically a chip race for the first 90mins. Survive this and you can then make progress by collecting 'orphaned' pots
 
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Strategy for playing against idiots

1. Sit at a table full of idiots
2. Wait for a good hand
3. Watch the idiot as he donates his stack to you
4. Laugh at him while he calls you a donk in the observer chat
 
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To me it just goes to show that bad players will take advantage of any excuse to play bad or use any excuse for their bad play. I'm amazed that these players come to the table day after day with no other strategy than to get lucky. When they fail to have success, they believe that it was just because they were unlucky, not because they fail to demonstrate skill. I'm sure they believe they are skilled. For some reason they're just choosing not to use it. Yeah right! If you never utilize your skills, then how will you ever know where your skills are lacking and what you need to work on? But then again, there is nothing that you can say to convince these individuals that they might need to improve. But why would you want to? In fact this isn't a conversation I would even be having at the table. I would just be like "yep" or "I hear ya" and let them go on thinking that silliness.
 
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1. Sit at a table full of idiots
2. Wait for a good hand
3. Watch the idiot as he donates his stack to you
4. Laugh at him while he calls you a donk in the observer chat

As I seemed to recall doing to you earlier today (Minus calling you a donk);)
 
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Well, luck is important factor at those MTTs. What you can do with strategy, its 60% chance of winning instead of 50%. So in long term you will profit.

Like my last time. Small MTT (35 ppl). I was big chipleader with 17 ppl left.
AK lost to A3
AK lost to JQ
2 pairs lost against FD on flop

They were quite loose, so I was quite sure Im ahead and call their all ins. With those 2 pairs I have pushed, to make draws fold or pay.

That all happended in like 6 hands. And my I was from chipleader to 0.

But with Texas, thats something you have to be able to handle. Thats reason you need bankroll management and understand variance.
 
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nah that is a load of rubbish tbh. sometimes you play at a final table or watch one or whatever, and a player there is so bad that you wonder how on earth he got past the 1st level never mind the ft. getting his money in bad at every opportunity and winning- i would say this kind of player very occassionally gets lucky and gets a decent score, as it is hard not to do well when you are running like god.
however, for the most part you have to put yourself in the best position to win each and every hand you possibly can, and over the long run, you will reach many more final tables and win more tourny's than the bad players. it depends what type of tourny you are playing in- as has been said the 3x turbo is madness, the first 90 mins people just go crazy. in this period i would recommend that you don't play like a donk and shove with 6 3o just because half of the table is all in, i usually wait for good hands and get my money in good with say A Qo and are usually dominating the weak aces and Queens that people shove relentlessly in the rebuy period. if you attain a big stack then after the add on, instead of having to shove your first hand you can min raise to steal the blinds. it's all about stealing blinds and attempting to get your money in good in these types of tourny's.
as for reg speed mtt's i believe that there is not that much luck involved in them. especially if you build a big stack, the other day i had quite a deep stack- maybe 60 or 70 bb's or so and was going quite deep. i raised A Ko from early position and a guy 3 bets me. at this point i could have 4 bet and he would have probably shoved- adding unwanted variance to my chances of doing well as it would have probably been Jacks or Queens or maybe even Kings or Aces. so because i felt bad players would spew a lot more chips post flop i decided to call and also because i was deep stacked. i missed the flop and check folded.
so yeah, for the reg speed ones it really depends how you want to play them, i find that only going all in pre if you are short or have ultra premium hand- A A or K K mostly perhaps Q Q. is the best way to play. otherwise it is good to steal a lot, keep building your stack and let the weak players spew chips to you by having a solid post flop game.
good luck.
 
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As I seemed to recall doing to you earlier today (Minus calling you a donk);)

:D Was happier for you to get my stack than some other fish. The chips had to go in on that flop, I was never folding anyway. TPTK vs a fish like you? All in every time! :p
 
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1. Sit at a table full of idiots
2. Wait for a good hand
3. Watch the idiot as he donates his stack to you
4. Laugh at him while he calls you a donk in the observer chat

Lmao this happens a lot!!!
 
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Well, luck is important factor at those MTTs. What you can do with strategy, its 60% chance of winning instead of 50%. So in long term you will profit.

Like my last time. Small MTT (35 ppl). I was big chipleader with 17 ppl left.
AK lost to A3
AK lost to JQ
2 pairs lost against FD on flop

They were quite loose, so I was quite sure Im ahead and call their all ins. With those 2 pairs I have pushed, to make draws fold or pay.

That all happened in like 6 hands. And my I was from chipleader to 0.

But with Texas, thats something you have to be able to handle. Thats reason you need bankroll management and understand variance.

I really don't believe luck is an important factor in MTTs. To play a solid game in every MTT you enter you need skill and a solid strategy, luck doesn't help you achieve consistent results. Work on your leaks if you go into a tournament believing you will need to get lucky to win.
 
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nah that is a load of rubbish tbh. sometimes you play at a final table or watch one or whatever, and a player there is so bad that you wonder how on earth he got past the 1st level never mind the ft. getting his money in bad at every opportunity and winning- i would say this kind of player very occassionally gets lucky and gets a decent score, as it is hard not to do well when you are running like god.
however, for the most part you have to put yourself in the best position to win each and every hand you possibly can, and over the long run, you will reach many more final tables and win more tourny's than the bad players. it depends what type of tourny you are playing in- as has been said the 3x turbo is madness, the first 90 mins people just go crazy. in this period i would recommend that you don't play like a donk and shove with 6 3o just because half of the table is all in, i usually wait for good hands and get my money in good with say A Qo and are usually dominating the weak aces and Queens that people shove relentlessly in the rebuy period. if you attain a big stack then after the add on, instead of having to shove your first hand you can min raise to steal the blinds. it's all about stealing blinds and attempting to get your money in good in these types of tourny's.
as for reg speed mtt's i believe that there is not that much luck involved in them. especially if you build a big stack, the other day i had quite a deep stack- maybe 60 or 70 bb's or so and was going quite deep. i raised A Ko from early position and a guy 3 bets me. at this point i could have 4 bet and he would have probably shoved- adding unwanted variance to my chances of doing well as it would have probably been Jacks or Queens or maybe even Kings or Aces. so because i felt bad players would spew a lot more chips post flop i decided to call and also because i was deep stacked. i missed the flop and check folded.
so yeah, for the reg speed ones it really depends how you want to play them, i find that only going all in pre if you are short or have ultra premium hand- A A or K K mostly perhaps Q Q. is the best way to play. otherwise it is good to steal a lot, keep building your stack and let the weak players spew chips to you by having a solid post flop game.
good luck.

Very good advice!
 
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The importance of luck increases as you look at smaller and smaller sample sizes. So it's more likely to come into play when you look at one tournament or even a few vs hundreds or thousands of them. Also, don't forget there are different kinds of luck; e.g. you wake up with AA and everyone folds vs someone else has KK. That's a matter of luck.
 
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