New strategy to combat C-bets seems to be working

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A few weeks ago I was reading a thread on another forum where someone suggested a strategy to combat a c-bet when the flop appears to be a dry one and you are first to act. I've tried it out several times over the last week and it seems to be working fairly well. The basic gist of it is a check-call on the flop and then an aggressive lead bet on the turn, especially when the turn again appears to be dry. I would say that 75% of the time, my opponent has folded after the turn bet.

Another variation is a check-reraise bet on the flop. If they call your re-raise, then you lead with a strong bet after the turn. However, most of the times they have folded to my re-raise. If they call your turn bet, then it's time to back off (unless you have hit something, of course).

I have collected quite a few chips using this strategy in tourneys lately.
 
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Any form of action suggests strength, and strength is often represented in its highest form in check raise situations. I like this theory and will be definitely putting it to use in tournaments. Obviously if we lead the turn heavy and get called our opponent is usually trapping or pot controlling with a hand that has showdown value, so probably wont be folding to a river squeeze. Every attack strategy should have its protection plan, so I think if we get called by our opponent on the turn then we should be shutting down on the river (unless the river card is good enough to bluff bet at).
 
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Nice info teepack .. i have only tried using the "check raise on the flop" to counter c-bets against a player regularly c-betting.

I did not know the "check call flop and lead out turn with strong bet" option because that seems like a weird line to take. But it indeed will appear as a strong line to the frequently c-betting opponent. Will try this next time.Thanks.:)
 
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It might work if you are first to act on the flop.75% of succcess rate is good enough.Might be a good way against constant cbet from the same villain.Good strategy.
 
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think its a villian dependent strategy, against a constant c better it is better than against a super nit who may just value own you
 
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And not a good idea against a super lag either who will smell your strategy from a mile away and reraise you light.
 
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Yes this works! I used to use it back in the day and have not used this strategy in a while because I've been playing scarred poker lately :(
Thanks for the reminder though.
It is a very good strategy
For example I was bluffed off a 6A10 board when I was holding pocket kings to someone who used this strategy on me.
Nit fold on my part, because the villian was holding 72 (he showed)
It's a strategy to be used definitely.
 
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I think that plan is called the Johnny Chan play. I read his book Million Dollar Holdem or some similar title about 7 years ago. I think the play works best on boards that come Q 10 5 or 7 8 9 two spades then the turn pairs the board or puts a straight or flush possibility. It allows you to tell a believeable story, say second pair on the flop pairs the board or 3 spades on the turn
 
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It depends.

It will work to some but not to others.

I had seen these strategies from my buddies cash live and I would trap them at the turn/river.
 
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If I'm first to act on the flop I will throw out a feeler bet I'm not afraid to lose a lot. This works well against better players who have the discipline to toss a hand like AK, AQ, AJ if they miss. 2x/3x. The blind (roughly 1/3 or 1/2 pot) will give you a pretty good read on what the raiser is holding.
 
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And not a good idea against a super lag either who will smell your strategy from a mile away and reraise you light.

Used sparingly, sure, we all got to smack a guy who always Cbets no matter what. But your correct - it's nothing new and gets a lot of players into trouble. I think "it works 75% of the time" is stretching it, unless you are betting into Cbetters who are weak players to begin with.
 
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Cbetters are not really a nuisance for me as they tend to get bled out early on. I tend to let the table sort them out, while I play tight and try to make it to mid-game.
 
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This sounds like a great strategy against constant c-betters. Especially the lead on the turn. I am gonna apply this to my tournament games. Thanks for the info tee.
 
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I think it is really important to consider if the turn card is more likely to help you or your opponent. If the flop is 246 rainbow good turn cards for you to represent are say a 3 5 7 8 or pairing of the board. Ace Queen King are hard to represent, what did you check call the flop with. You also have to check raise less on flops that really hit you hard or your check call flop bet out on turn will get you raised out of the pot because your opponents will realize your pattern. Great topic
 
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It sounds like a good strategy but you have to be able to tell a story. What are you representing and is it believable.
 
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