need to get out of the micros

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I mostly play on poker stars on the $0.25 45 player MTT sit & goes due to my current bank roll (~$45 right now). My problem is that as I've increased my game, the new tactics that I'm using seem fail even later into a tourney. Such as when I raise 4-5BB preflop with something like AKs, I get called from 4 other people which only increases the odds of me being beat.

Even when I get it down to a single villain after the flop who I know is playing loose and force an AI, I see I'm 80-20 favourite. And of course, you can't win all of these showdowns as sometimes, the river will sometimes give them that straight they're hoping for.

While I do money sometimes, it seems more often than not, because I'm running into so many donks, the bets are not typical as the risk is only a 25 cents at this level. As a result I get knocked out anywhere from 10th to 20th spot.

I can play $1.10 double or nothing and I do quite well there as the play is a lot tighter and I can play my game. Even when I run into someone who's looser there, they still don't go overboard on their bets so usually the worst that may happen is that I loose 1/4 of my stack because of a bad beat. That I can deal with and recover from.

What I was thinking of doing is sticking with double or nothings for now just so I can keep working my game even though I know I need to money 60% of the time for it to be profitable. The real source of increasing my BR though is to add a little bit with each paycheck. Then go to the STT sit & goes which as I recall doesn't need 100x the buy in to be properly funded as MTT should be. Also what is the play like at the $3.40 STT?

Thoughts?? Suggestions?? Oh and yes I already have Sit 'n Go Strategy by Moshman. I'm about half way through it. ;)
 
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I usually play 1.20 with the occasional 3.40, ive noticed that its different from table to table. Some games i get in are tight and you can play a decent game once the couple donks get knocked out. Other times its no different then any other micro stakes table. But after all don't we often want the donks at our tables, they are the ones that pay you off big when they are not getting lucky.
 
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I have been playing MTT $1.10 and $2.20 and to me the play is just as bad as when I play the 10 cent PLO games. And in bad I dont mean they are easy to beat I mean that like you said there are so many callers that your good hands are gonna get cracked a lot faster.

To me it becomes a situation of all in or fold on some of these hands. You will still get a caller or two but at least it wont be the 6 that you would get from a 3x 4x BB bet. Sure you wont get the value that you should get but at least you can take down a small pot vs losing a big one.

I know that this is not proper play but lately it seems that the game has to be so greatly adjusted just in order to beat the donkies.
 
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I have been playing MTT $1.10 and $2.20 and to me the play is just as bad as when I play the 10 cent PLO games. And in bad I dont mean they are easy to beat I mean that like you said there are so many callers that your good hands are gonna get cracked a lot faster.

To me it becomes a situation of all in or fold on some of these hands. You will still get a caller or two but at least it wont be the 6 that you would get from a 3x 4x BB bet. Sure you wont get the value that you should get but at least you can take down a small pot vs losing a big one.

I know that this is not proper play but lately it seems that the game has to be so greatly adjusted just in order to beat the donkies.
You maybe right. That's about the only thing I'm seeing as I get further into a tournament. I thought I was just being too aggressive but when I look at each hand that I get a bad beat, I find it hard to think I should have played it any differently. Well other than going AI on the flop vs the turn or something like that.

Or maybe depending on my stack, change it 10x BB. Assuming it doesn't risk my stack too bad with a bet like that because otherwise I just may as well go AI.
 
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You maybe right. That's about the only thing I'm seeing as I get further into a tournament. I thought I was just being too aggressive but when I look at each hand that I get a bad beat, I find it hard to think I should have played it any differently. Well other than going AI on the flop vs the turn or something like that.

Or maybe depending on my stack, change it 10x BB. Assuming it doesn't risk my stack too bad with a bet like that because otherwise I just may as well go AI.

Exactly right there is no reason to leave a small amount behind if you get flat called. Just get it in if you feel you have the best of it. With that in mind though I am not likely to get it in with anything less than AK or a pair.

Will experiment with this and see how it goes.
 
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I recently just shifted some of my bankroll to Stars from tilt, and I can say that as a regular sng grinder, Stars play is a lot looser at the $2-5 level than it is on Tilt, but at the same time definitely more exploitable. I need more volume to make an informed guess, but you are going to find that Tilt sounds like more of a game you would be comfortable with at those levels. I'm seeing people on Stars at the $2-$5 level making some horrific turn and river calls, the kind of stuff I would rarely see on Tilt....plus there are fewer tables and more regulars that you can identify on Tilt, while on Stars there so many people, it is hard to get a read...that can be an advantage or a disadvantage, depending on how developed your play is.
 
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The Microstakes tournies on Stars can be hard work.
4-5 Preflop limpers, you raise to isolate and end up with 3-4 callers!
Other than just playing very tight in the early rounds, you really need a decent slice of luck to take them down when it comes to the inevitable all-in shove time.
All I would suggest is notice which players you think you have 'figured out' and try to play them as often as possible by table selecting.
 
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Yes raising to isolate almost never works in these games. A 10-12 x bb raise is about the only way to isolate in my opinion. If you only have 20-25bb left you might as wel just get it in while you have the best of it.

Last night I was UTG+1 and had AA with an M of 20 and I raised 4x MP2 re raised and eveyrone else folded back to me. I out the rest of it in the middle and he calls. He had AKo and turns a straight.

Coukd I have flat called him and when the flop came QJx felt comfortable with AA on a flush and straight board.

Anyway playing TAG does not seem to work out in micros. I am just not sure how long I would last if I upped my BR to allow me to play in bigger games either.
 
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the $1 DON have a ridiculous rake. Most microstakes game have a high % rake meaning you have to have a higher win percentage to make a profit.
 
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I played the $1.20 STT SnG's at Stars for a while, but the 20% rake was a little hard to overcome. I moved over to Full Tilt to play the $2.25 games (12.5% rake). Also found these are a little tighter on average than the $1.20 tournies at Stars, which is good and bad.
 
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I recently just shifted some of my bankroll to Stars from tilt, and I can say that as a regular sng grinder, Stars play is a lot looser at the $2-5 level than it is on Tilt, but at the same time definitely more exploitable. I need more volume to make an informed guess, but you are going to find that Tilt sounds like more of a game you would be comfortable with at those levels. I'm seeing people on Stars at the $2-$5 level making some horrific turn and river calls, the kind of stuff I would rarely see on Tilt....plus there are fewer tables and more regulars that you can identify on Tilt, while on Stars there so many people, it is hard to get a read...that can be an advantage or a disadvantage, depending on how developed your play is.

this^ is quite accurate imo

in Super Micros on Stars you need to make HUGE adjustments due to so many loose players sitting on the table
 
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Those things are crazy, can't even play them without going on tilt
 
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