Nearing the bubble, still a full table..

in a 2 +.20 180player sng turbo, with 22 people. top 18 get paid.

The blinds are 200/400/25. You're UTG


you get dealt [7c][8c] the guy in the big blind has been playing very aggressively by pushing all in the passed 3 hands and he is the chip leader at the table... You have an M of about 12.

What do you do here?

I fold, since your UTG and it's a full table, someone might have you crushed. Your M is enough for another orbit or so. If this were late position, I would push since there's less of a chance of facing a big hand. How is your stack compared to the average, how is your image, and what type of table is it? All these could also influence whether you should push as well.

Pretty clear fold...

yeah, I folded pretty quickly and the big blind pushed all in when it got to him and no one called his push.

The reason i asked is because even though i folded quickly i felt awkward about it. I tend to play too many suited connectors i think from early position and i think its a big leak in my game. I was just trying to get some reassurance the fold was the right move and it appears to be.


Here's another question... [8c][6c] in the c-o unraised pot. Do you just muck them or do you play them as a suited connector type hand and try and hit a big hand? I think this is a big hole in my game too, and i want to get it plugged.

Styrofoam said:

Here's another question... 8♣6♣ in the c-o unraised pot. Do you just muck them or do you play them as a suited connector type hand and try and hit a big hand? I think this is a big hole in my game too, and i want to get it plugged.

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Stack sizes of you and the BTN, SB, BB are so retardedly important in this spot... As are any reads.

Lets say all things are roughly equal in say like the beginning stages of the sng...

If your deep in the early stages of a sit and go with equal stacks then its still a pretty clear fold. Maybe a raise if there is no limpers, maybe.

It is an auto fold. No questions asked!

Effective stacks would have to be at least 100bb's deep in the early stages of a tournament situation to justify playing 86s.

Wot a silly question. Fold.

I would keep folding untill i get a good hand just think if he had 98 he still has the best hand then u but if u called and u hit its all good then and u just doubled up and hopfully u made the money...

Even 100 BBs deep and in co/bn position against the usual tag/lag mix I fold suited connectors + gapped connectors about 95 % of the time.

From UTG 99% (1% missclick).

The other 5% only serve metagame/mixing up purposes so that my raises get called later. I play them like my usual range raising 2.5 - 4 BBs.

In your situation utg / M=12 it's an autofold - in mid/late position it's a fold ,too.

You might shove from the co/bn only if your table image is extremely tight until then.

Fold... You need a lot more BB's to make playing suited connectors profitable. oh, and especially UTG... SC are played better in late position, imo.

Late stages of a Turbo 180, you're never limping in period. HighBlindLimping is a huge leak.
You're looking to steal blinds, re-steal, &/or shove in late stage play of a turbo 180.

In late stage bubble play in a Turbo 180, the shortstacks are going to be looking at shoving it ALLIN in an effort to double up.
At this point in the game you want to stick to only raising up with very strong hands when in early or middle position... hands that you'd be willing to call another stack's shove with (as you will more than likely be priced in to call any smaller stack's shoves and the shorter stacks will be looking to get it allin). Raising & folding, you will be losing chips that you really need to hang onto.

Stealing blinds in LatePosition is a must. Stealing from the medium-sized stacks is generally better (imo) because they will be looking to conserve their stack size with shortstacks on the table... whereas stealing from a smallerstack they will be looking to get it ALLIN (and might even be priced in to after posting their blind).

Other valuable plays in LateStage 180's (as long as stacks are deep enough on the table... not usually the case in the Turbo180's, but more so in the reg.180's,.. in Turbos it's basically shove/fold) - -
With a stack size of 7-10bb's in the blinds.. a "Stop 'N Go" is a good play.. ie. let's say you have pp 9-9... CO raises 3x... and you know that if you shove from the blinds he will be looking you up, most likely with overcards and you'll be racing ('coinflip'). Instead... just try flatcalling the raise with intentions of getting it ALLin on any flop. This will give you an added way in which to win the hand if villain hasn't connected with the flop (even if he has... doesn't mattter.. your initial intentions were to get it ALLIN preflop anyways so whether or not villain connects with the board is irrelevant... this just gives you an extra way to win the pot).
With approx. 20bb's ( a 're-steal'-sized stack) you can use a "Go & Go". This is where you'll typically be raising from the blinds with around 30%-40% of your stack preflop with intentions of shoving the rest in on any flop.

Hope these thoughts/tools help to get you going in a winning direction.

Styrofoam said:

in a 2 +.20 180player sng turbo, with 22 people. top 18 get paid.

The blinds are 200/400/25. You're UTG


you get dealt 7♣8♣ the guy in the big blind has been playing very aggressively by pushing all in the passed 3 hands and he is the chip leader at the table... You have an M of about 12.

What do you do here?

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UtG with a 12 M should be an auto fold, do not even think about this

This ^^^is a more sophisticated view of what I'm trying to say - read it 5x - it will bring you 2 steps forward.

grafkarow said:

Even 100 BBs deep and in co/bn position against the usual tag/lag mix I fold suited connectors + gapped connectors about 95 % of the time.

From UTG 99% (1% missclick).

The other 5% only serve metagame/mixing up purposes so that my raises get called later. I play them like my usual range raising 2.5 - 4 BBs.

In your situation utg / M=12 it's an autofold - in mid/late position it's a fold ,too.

You might shove from the co/bn only if your table image is extremely tight until then.

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Poker Orifice said:

In late stage bubble play in a Turbo 180, the shortstacks are going to be looking at shoving it ALLIN in an effort to double up.
At this point in the game you want to stick to only raising up with very strong hands when in early or middle position... hands that you'd be willing to call another stack's shove with (as you will more than likely be priced in to call any smaller stack's shoves and the shorter stacks will be looking to get it allin). Raising & folding, you will be losing chips that you really need to hang onto.

Stealing blinds in LatePosition is a must. Stealing from the medium-sized stacks is generally better (imo) because they will be looking to conserve their stack size with shortstacks on the table... whereas stealing from a smallerstack they will be looking to get it ALLIN (and might even be priced in to after posting their blind).

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Immediately fold.Your chip stack is not sized for playing speculative hands.You are UTG and you can be easy reraised.

I agree that it's a pretty quick fold. Way too speculative a hand when there are so many people to act after you- even if the BB is hyper agressive. That is just not the place to play back at him.

If you want to play back at him, wait until you have position on him.

easy fold utg in my opinion. Better opertuinities will come.

Theres never a reason to limp UG when ur short stacked. Fold and wait through another round. Don't ever shove UG either with a full table. Ur gonna get called by only premium hands. Thats a huge leak.

I allways play very tight at the bubble, if i have enough stack for 2 or more orbits early and midlle positions i fold weak hands and play only premium hands

UTG with M=12 and aggressive BB, bubble makes no difference at all -- FOLD!

-Dave

Getting close too the money you would have to muck that hand, tighten up so you can make some dough! GL