Myth Shattering - day one question

So if anyone has read my other thread, you will of seen loads of flaming going on. So I set a challenge to those people who doubt people win, lose themselves, and need to flame people in forum posts instead of having a helpful input and try to improve their game.
So, when I remember, I might just post a few questions in here.
So todays is this. You have AJo, and someone calls you all in with A10. Do think you will win that all the time?

simple isnt it.....
Enjoy

Seems like a silly question. You will win it most of the time. Is the A10 suited, you stipulate the AJ isnt. Am I missing something?

AJo vs A10o,A10s will win close to 72% of the time.

Nooneinparticular said:

So if anyone has read my other thread, you will of seen loads of flaming going on. So I set a challenge to those people who doubt people win, lose themselves, and need to flame people in forum posts instead of having a helpful input and try to improve their game.
So, when I remember, I might just post a few questions in here.
So todays is this. You have AJo, and someone calls you all in with A10. Do think you will win that all the time?

simple isnt it.....
Enjoy

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So you say in your other thread that you have a deep understanding of probabilities...+EV, -EV, ICM, equilibrium theory and so on, however, you ask a question that is something commonly asked by someone new to the game... At least you are getting what you want which would seem to be attention so props for that.

But OP is going to go on about a hand where he had A10 and he called a shove from a short stack but it was like correct because he was a short stack and in the sb.

I know the odds of the top of my head. Im just trying to get one of the "flamers" to say something idiotic, like AJ will win all the time and should never lose.
Weel done for completely missing the point of the thread though.

If someone asks a simple question, do you think that its because they dont know much, or maybe that there is deeper reason behind it.....

Nooneinparticular said:

I know the odds of the top of my head. Im just trying to get one of the "flamers" to say something idiotic, like AJ will win all the time and should never lose.
Weel done for completely missing the point of the thread though.

If someone asks a simple question, do you think that its because they dont know much, or maybe that there is deeper reason behind it.....

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Dude I mean this with all sincerity. (language)

Nooneinparticular said:

I know the odds of the top of my head. Im just trying to get one of the "flamers" to say something idiotic, like AJ will win all the time and should never lose.
Weel done for completely missing the point of the thread though.

If someone asks a simple question, do you think that its because they dont know much, or maybe that there is deeper reason behind it.....

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Here's a simple question -

Which is worse - the flamer that responds or the troll that asks questions he doesn't really need or want an answer to (what I call a dishonest question)?

People with less than 10 posts wouldn't know this but I'm always glad to jump in and help with an honest question - but I'm also happy to call out apparent bullshitters who are looking to have their ego verified.



And I have not read any of your other stuff - probably very insightful though.

Okay, read your other thread - two guys gave you a hard time and a whole bunch of other guys jumped in to defend your question - I would say you came out ahead on that and are focusing on the bad beats - eh?

In fact the very first response to your post was spot on, IMHO.

So yeah I get it - what should have been an intelligent and stimulating conversation was spoiled by some a-holes. Not the first time and it won't be the last. Sorry that was pretty much your introduction to an other wise civil forum group.

hey no offence taken, and on an online forum its to be expected.....
The aim of the "question" was to see how many people realise that AJ will still lose to A10 about 30% of the time...... People seem to think it will never happen. Haha.

Just trying to get the idiots who flame and don't believe people actually make money to realise it isn't because they are unlucky, or stars "have it in for them", or they "run bad", its because they need to get better. I've read some cracking statements along the lines of "I run bad more than I run good" which should really be telling them that they don't, they just arent actually any good and they need to learn. The other classic is people going mental when their A10 loses to KQ. Errm, its basically 60/40 in A10 favour, so yes, realise you will lose 40% of the time. Couple that to waiting for AQ++ 1010++ and then pushing and you will lose. Lets say you have 1010 each time, then in even the shortest tournys youre going to have 4 or 5 flips against 2 overs, so youre aiming to win 5 50/50 shots, which of course is 2*2*2*2*2 or a 1 in 32 chance....... Guess how many tourneys you will actually win, without even factoring in JJ/QQ/KK/AA against your all in with 1010....

Admitting you can learn is something anyone should do. You hear top pro's talking about home games with other top pros which they treat as training games, where they all show they cards after a hand and go over the thought processes behind their play.

Nooneinparticular said:

The aim of the "question" was to see how many people realise that AJ will still lose to A10 about 30% of the time...... People seem to think it will never happen. Haha.

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You just are not going to find those people in here. I totally understand a lot of people will have an emotional reaction when losing a hand they were ahead PF like it wasn't possible to happen - but no one in here will intellectually go there.
But don't go looking for idiots - I mean it's like a dog chasing cars - what would you do if you caught one?

BTW, did you see that AA cracked by the TT shove in the National Championship final table on a runner runner for an inside straight? Hell I even jumped out of my living chair screaming, "OH MY GOD!!!"

Nooneinparticular said:

hey no offence taken, and on an online forum its to be expected.....
The aim of the "question" was to see how many people realise that AJ will still lose to A10 about 30% of the time...... People seem to think it will never happen. Haha.

Just trying to get the idiots who flame and don't believe people actually make money to realise it isn't because they are unlucky, or stars "have it in for them", or they "run bad", its because they need to get better.

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I fully believe people make money, significant money, playing 6-max hypers. The bit I don't believe is you hardly encounter swings whilst regging for high stakes games that are renowned for small edges and the sick swings that are associated with that.

Although I'll agree with you about the 'tards who go on about bad beats and blame all losses on variance. Most people do very little studying, a lot of complaining and then wonder why they stand still.

Nooneinparticular said:

hey no offence taken, and on an online forum its to be expected.....
The aim of the "question" was to see how many people realise that AJ will still lose to A10 about 30% of the time...... People seem to think it will never happen. Haha.

Just trying to get the idiots who flame and don't believe people actually make money to realise it isn't because they are unlucky, or stars "have it in for them", or they "run bad", its because they need to get better. I've read some cracking statements along the lines of "I run bad more than I run good" which should really be telling them that they don't, they just arent actually any good and they need to learn. The other classic is people going mental when their A10 loses to KQ. Errm, its basically 60/40 in A10 favour, so yes, realise you will lose 40% of the time. Couple that to waiting for AQ++ 1010++ and then pushing and you will lose. Lets say you have 1010 each time, then in even the shortest tournys youre going to have 4 or 5 flips against 2 overs, so youre aiming to win 5 50/50 shots, which of course is 2*2*2*2*2 or a 1 in 32 chance....... Guess how many tourneys you will actually win, without even factoring in JJ/QQ/KK/AA against your all in with 1010....

Admitting you can learn is something anyone should do. You hear top pro's talking about home games with other top pros which they treat as training games, where they all show they cards after a hand and go over the thought processes behind their play.

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Who are these people you speak of...and could you please transport them to 2012 from 2004 so they can make the games better?

Also, stop conveniently rounding up...its 28% of the time...not 30%...or about 30%...soon youll be saying, about a third of the time and believing you are accurate.

Really close aces that arent super high push sometimes too, what of it?

No one who is in any way serious about of the time or whatever you are suggesting...sorry.