Multiway all in on FT bubble, would you fold AK?

Originally Posted by fundiver199

In real time I would also have called, but I plugged this into ICMizer, and it actually recommends folding. ICMizer only wants us to call with JJ+ and AKs. AKo is very close though, so the exact payout structure of this particular MTT as well as stack size distribution on the other table could perhaps swing it one way or another.

But at the end of the day this is a high ICM situation, since there is an immedeate payjump, if someone else bust, and I guess, this is why, ICMizer wants us to be so snug. There is value in simply leaning back here and hope, that SB busts CO. Which he will more than half the time, since he is supposed to have a significantly stronger range for overjamming.

If I reverse the stack sizes of CO and SB, then AKo becomes a marginal call, so the small details really matter here. At the end of the day I would not beat up myself over calling this, but the idea of folding is actually the right one and not crazy at all.

Originally Posted by ohshootmybad

i'm never folding ak here in this spot. it's just too strong of a hand and your stack is just way to short to fold it.

co and sb and getting it in with so many weaker aces and weaker broadway hands, as well as pairs that we're happy to flip against. you block aa and kk combos, so you're not going to be in a terrible equity spot in this situation.

i don't know their ranges, but i wouldn't be surprised if you had, at worst, somewhere around 35-40% equity against 2 all-ins, but that's ok. when you're short stack, you're happy to get in with in 35-40% equity spots. yeah, it's not a +ev spot but you still win ~2/5 times and it puts you in a much better situation to run deep when your hand holds.

as far as folding and giving yourself 10-12 bbs at the final table, i don't like thinking in this way. instead, i'm looking at situations that's going to maximize my stack size. is there some risk to it, of course. but the times you do win here and you pick 30+ bbs, that's going to final table. and keep in mind that 35-40 equity is just an average against ranges, there are times where you're going to up against weaker aces and kq, k10s, types of hands that you just absolutely crush.

so, even though you risk getting the final table with short stack some of the time, you make up for it when you hit the final table with 30+ bbs in this situation. you'd rather have 30+ bbs 40% of the times over 10-12 bbs 100% of the time because you're just going to do so much better with that stack size over all.

so, great call and it just didn't work for out for you.

Originally Posted by fundiver199

In real time I would also have called, but I plugged this into ICMizer, and it actually recommends folding. ICMizer only wants us to call with JJ+ and AKs. AKo is very close though, so the exact payout structure of this particular MTT as well as stack size distribution on the other table could perhaps swing it one way or another.

But at the end of the day this is a high ICM situation, since there is an immedeate payjump, if someone else bust, and I guess, this is why, ICMizer wants us to be so snug. There is value in simply leaning back here and hope, that SB busts CO. Which he will more than half the time, since he is supposed to have a significantly stronger range for overjamming.


If I reverse the stack sizes of CO and SB, then AKo becomes a marginal call, so the small details really matter here. At the end of the day I would not beat up myself over calling this, but the idea of folding is actually the right one and not crazy at all.

Originally Posted by Mahdi

if you were trying to win it was a good call, had a good chances to win that flip and go higher, you had your 33% equity
if your target was to get as mush money as you could without risking then bad call, 3 way with AK doesn`t work well, because someone probably holding your outs and you may do worse against pairs

Originally Posted by Amanda A

I'm seeking advice and would love to hear opinions!
I made it to bubble of the final table in a $2500 GTD $2 buy in on ACR. There's a bunch of us, I think 5 of us, with shorter 10-12 blind stacks or less. I'm probably at the top of those shorter stacks. I look down at AK. YAY! But then there's 2 all ins in front of me with stacks which almost cover me.
Here's the hand https://www.cardschat.com/replayer/1qDrdQ6
Would anyone fold the AKo here???
I called and as you can see lost to 66 and I made it to final table with basically no chips left.
At the time I was thinking "I'm playing to win, AK it too good to fold even multiway and I think I come out pretty well against their range, at least I won't be a huge underdog, and it will put me in a good position to go for the win, so let's go!"
Now I'm not so sure, we all want to make ev+ decisions and 3 way AK can't have that much equity, maybe 30-40%? (I'm thinking you are going to dominate likely hands like AQ which was one of the hands, so maybe you have a bit better than 30% against ranges of your 2 opponents?) So why am I gambling here? If there was one all in ok, but 2 all ins? Was this a bad call? Should I have folded??? If I made it to final table with 10-12 bigs I might have been able to ladder up, at least a few spots. As it was I got around $26 for 9th, I think 1st was over $300. Somewhere in the middle for $50 or more would have been sweet! Oh well.
Love to hear opinions on this.

Originally Posted by Amanda A

I'm seeking advice and would love to hear opinions!
I made it to bubble of the final table in a $2500 GTD $2 buy in on ACR. There's a bunch of us, I think 5 of us, with shorter 10-12 blind stacks or less. I'm probably at the top of those shorter stacks. I look down at AK. YAY! But then there's 2 all ins in front of me with stacks which almost cover me.
Here's the hand https://www.cardschat.com/replayer/1qDrdQ6
Would anyone fold the AKo here???
I called and as you can see lost to 66 and I made it to final table with basically no chips left.
At the time I was thinking "I'm playing to win, AK it too good to fold even multiway and I think I come out pretty well against their range, at least I won't be a huge underdog, and it will put me in a good position to go for the win, so let's go!"
Now I'm not so sure, we all want to make ev+ decisions and 3 way AK can't have that much equity, maybe 30-40%? (I'm thinking you are going to dominate likely hands like AQ which was one of the hands, so maybe you have a bit better than 30% against ranges of your 2 opponents?) So why am I gambling here? If there was one all in ok, but 2 all ins? Was this a bad call? Should I have folded??? If I made it to final table with 10-12 bigs I might have been able to ladder up, at least a few spots. As it was I got around $26 for 9th, I think 1st was over $300. Somewhere in the middle for $50 or more would have been sweet! Oh well.
Love to hear opinions on this.

Originally Posted by Amanda A

I think this is the way a lot of winners think.

Originally Posted by digdug0037

This is a older post but had to reply, In the past I am playing that all day long, but with the raise and all in before you, you have to believe there is a chance someone has a premium hand like JJ or higher. While it was 6s, if you had realized the situation in the tourney, and your position, you would not have needed to ask the question. My gut would say call, but if I take a little extra time and look at the details like position, where are we at in the tourney, and the main fact 1 person went all in then followed by another, its pretty good guess 1 of them has a pair. AK is nice but they cost you money as well. 6s dominate you every time.