multitabling and hyper turbo question

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do you really need to put a lot of volume in a day to be successful at sng ?


especially in very low bankrolls multitabling is impossible , do you really lose a lot by playing one table at a time? i understand games such as 180 man turbo require a lot of volume but what about 90 man turbo and STTs ? instead of massing tables could you instead play a higher buy in and one table ? is it me or when you play 1 table you dont really experience terrible downswings? even though if thats true i cant explain why :(


one thing which really troubles me aswell are hyper turbos stts and the length of a sng , i can make like 30 dollars in a hour at Hts but lose the same amount afterwards , i dont know but does the lower length of an sng increase the cost aswell? i cant really explain why i cant find a balance with them even though i feel like i play perfect push/fold mode , sometimes you just cant win a coinflip and every sng has at least 2 coinflips but it seems like slower sngs somehow reduce unlucky streaks but i cant make any sense out of it because both will force you to push/fold mode anyway its just the length which is different..

does anyone have any idea about all this?
 
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do you really need to put a lot of volume in a day to be successful at sng ?
OK, so it isn't that you need to put in massive amounts of volume to be successful % wise, but if you want to make your time worth it, then you do. Playing 1 $5 SnG will get you ~$20(with BI taken out) if you win, but if you're playing say 5 of those tables and get first in 2 and a 2nd in 1, you won $40($25+$25+$15-$25(BIs)) in the same amount of time.

especially in very low bankrolls multitabling is impossible , do you really lose a lot by playing one table at a time? i understand games such as 180 man turbo require a lot of volume but what about 90 man turbo and STTs ? instead of massing tables could you instead play a higher buy in and one table ?
Playing 1 higher buy-in is only going to be putting you up against better players and have a higher likelihood that you will lose. Play at the limits that your experience allows.

is it me or when you play 1 table you dont really experience terrible downswings? even though if thats true i cant explain why :(
Not true at all, it is just that you are only playing 1 game at a time, so you don't have the feeling of all you're doing is losing(if you lose 1 game at a time, doesn't feel as disheartening as losing 10 games at a time.) Downswings are going to happen regardless of how many tables you're playing, the only way tables could affect it would be if you were playing too many and you couldn't control everything so you're playing badly.

one thing which really troubles me aswell are hyper turbos stts and the length of a sng , i can make like 30 dollars in a hour at Hts but lose the same amount afterwards , i dont know but does the lower length of an sng increase the cost aswell? i cant really explain why i cant find a balance with them even though i feel like i play perfect push/fold mode , sometimes you just cant win a coinflip and every sng has at least 2 coinflips but it seems like slower sngs somehow reduce unlucky streaks but i cant make any sense out of it because both will force you to push/fold mode anyway its just the length which is different..
This is just because you get into push fold territory quicker, which is the entire premise behind hyperturbos. Nothing to do with "unlucky" streaks, it's just you don't get as many cards in in a hyperturbo, so you're not sitting through as many hands that you can just muck and wait, also, you're not getting as many premium or above average hands that you would get a nice sized pot with. Hyperturbos are almost all about taking those marginal hands and winning those coinflips.
 
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it seems like slower sngs somehow reduce unlucky streaks but i cant make any sense out of it because both will force you to push/fold mode anyway its just the length which is different..

does anyone have any idea about all this?

in regular speed SNG's you have time to build a stack then by the time the blinds increase and the game turns to push/fold you usually will have built a large enough stack that losing 1 flip will not knock you out.

even in turbo SNG's you have a little time to build up a stack before the game becomes push/fold.

in super turbo's or hyper turbo's your in push/fold mode from the start. the skill advantage of the early rounds in regular speed goes out the window. you will still have a slight edge over many but you lost the luxury of having a big stack advantage when the game becomes push/fold.

hope some of that makes sense... people multi-table these games because your edge is so small to make any decent money you need to put in 100+ games per day.
generally speaking at low to mid level a good player can expect:
regular speed: 10% to 14% ROI
turbo: 8% to 12% ROI
super/hyper: 3% to 5% ROI

if you move up you can expect those percentages to go down. it's much easier to learn how to play 16+ tables at $5-$10 level than to try and make the same hourly rate single tabling a $300 sng.
just throwing a few numbers out there... you should get the idea.
 
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