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what strategy to follow when reaching the final table is an outsider? .. how to survive and increase your stack?. and how to avoid the aggression of players with a big stack? .. which hands to play the best?
 
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For final tables you should consider studying ICM.
 
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pay full atention to observate your oponents
 
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continue doing what got you there
 
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For the most part play straight-forward and don't step out of line. Pay close attention to the stack sizes around you and pay jumps. Study ICM and look for tight players to steal blinds off of.
 
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For the most part play straight-forward and don't step out of line. Pay close attention to the stack sizes around you and pay jumps. Study ICM and look for tight players to steal blinds off of.

with pocket pairs JJ-you can go all-inn? or better to wait for the monsters QQ+ ?
 
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When you had JJ than make a raise 3xBB and one BB for every player that is involved in that hand and if somebody make you re-raise or go all-in than you should go fold.
JJ is not very good and winning cards, so for my opinion it's better to wait monster QQ+ cards.
 
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I would recommend you to watch gripsed video series, they are on youtube, he have 10 parts video series about winning at large field tourneys. Also he have 3 or 4 parts series about winning a freeroll, i didnt watched those, l'm at part 5 of first mentioned series.
 
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I would recommend you to watch gripsed video series, they are on youtube, he have 10 parts video series about winning at large field tourneys. Also he have 3 or 4 parts series about winning a freeroll, i didnt watched those, l'm at part 5 of first mentioned series.

there is a direct link? ..
 
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Its very easy to say wait for QQ+ . but its not always possible and you will have to make some moves with less than premium hands otherwise you will just get blinded out.
 
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Its very easy to say wait for QQ+ . but its not always possible and you will have to make some moves with less than premium hands otherwise you will just get blinded out.

I need to play looser? or simply play any pocket pair?
 
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You will need to loosen up and look for spots where you can be aggressive.You can take advantage of the players looking to ladder.
 
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speaking of gripsed im not sure how good he really is, he is down 33k in cash games on party and has gone down a lot on other sites, i don't think he is actually that good but is good for newbie players who like to listen to another player, also hes one of the only players who gives basically free coaching out there which just shows what he has to say is not that valuable, i personally am not a fan of him, but hes good if you are brand new and know nothing
 
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If you go for the 1st/2nd prize, then don't play looser,
if you play for a 4/5 hand, then just stay alive :D

the point is that is not always possible to wait for a good hand! I asked about the strategy of the final table in the position of an outsider! If you get to the final table with the smallest stack! No time to wait for a good hand - you can lose your entire stack through the blinds and antes.
 
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the point is that is not always possible to wait for a good hand! I asked about the strategy of the final table in the position of an outsider! If you get to the final table with the smallest stack! No time to wait for a good hand - you can lose your entire stack through the blinds and antes.

And there you have it - the answer to your original question is one big fat - "IT DEPENDS"...

...on your stack size
...on your seat relative to other stacks
...on your position
...on your reads

one of the first determinations I want to make is where are my chips going to come from, or "who wants to be my bitch?".
Second, along with that - "who do I want to avoid?" (for now)
and weigh those out with - "who do I need to go through to take this down?"
In other words the first step of your final table strategy is "targeting" - then you can play some poker.

ALSO - keep reevaluating as chips move and people get knocked out.
 
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Remember that on a final table if a player enter the game, he have a card to play with. So if you dont have cards, wait.
 
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Remember that on a final table if a player enter the game, he have a card to play with. So if you dont have cards, wait.

at the final table players with short stacks often go all-inn with no strong hand K9 or Q8 or something like that ... they lose nothing and wait for a good hand, too, no ...
 
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Better with 8 9 or 6 7 to try a straight.
 
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if your one of the smaller stacks, having stacks the same size is always handy to your left. , because you can raise more succusfully but if they are a huge stack... then they might call you more often and again call your c-bet.

when the blinds are 300/600 or bigger in a 45 to 360 man mtt. a min raise is going to be good enough to take it down if you have a respectable stack size so no need to risk more chips, dont be scared to c-bet when you miss the board

if you have aggressive opponants pushing all in quite often on you and your struggling. you will need to adjust your strategy, and start pushing other stacks all in.

also Be wary about calling any all in's even with KA/QA medium pairs, do you really want to toss for your tournament life if you have tight players to your left.
remember to evaluate the situation and never call due to hand strength you want to make a decision based on if the spot is good for you or not,
50/50' calls hould be avoided unless they are very loosgive or you have a monster. always be the agressor when all in : )

P.s a little tip, folding your small blind and not raising the button will allow you to gain credit when raising,
you can open raise almost any two cards from hijack or middle position if you have notably folded your small blind a couple of times and not raised your button
 
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Well it depends, if you are not of the biggest stack, you should play tight, and try to survive as long as you can, because the prizes are better. if you are of the biggest stacks, you have to be more aggressive than usually.
 
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it depends on a lot of different circumstances. I know if a player is being super aggressive and he knows I have a very tight image. Then I am going to be folding on the flop unless I hit something, yet I know I can wait him out for his big bluff and then capitalize on it.
 
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it depends on a lot of different circumstances. I know if a player is being super aggressive and he knows I have a very tight image. Then I am going to be folding on the flop unless I hit something, yet I know I can wait him out for his big bluff and then capitalize on it.

I try to change the game - to confuse the players at the table! I'm a maniac for some, for others tight, for others just an aggressive player, and who then defines me as a loser! I think this is important - such image is easier to play!
 
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