Moving up question.

Hello, i am small stakes player from pokerstars, started to play year ago on 3,50 buyin tourneys 18 players turbo but i have serious downswing and i crushed my confidence (i lost 48 buyins in like 140 games) i think it was combination of big bad run and loose passive/tilty game ...

now i(september) redeposit, studied little more and started to play 0,50$ and 1$ 90 players turbo ... i made bankroll from 80 dollars to 450~(now) but i had to withdraw 3 times ... i was playing mostly 1,50 players 45 players and 90 players turbos and i am on 24 % roi after 950 games ... i want to ask you cardschatters if it is good roi and if i should try to move up again if i will ahve like 300+ dollars ... i was planning 3,50 45 players turbos or 2,50 180 players turbos (but those 180 players with bigger bankroll cuz of possible swings there) i've heard somewhere that 24% roi on those turbos is good ... not sure of sample size maybe i was running good little... dunno dont have tracking program... i am playing 7 - 13 tables at once depends on what am i doing as additional thing... if i am chatting on facebook with gf or watching videos i have opened only 7 talbes if not i do open more....

Do you think i should move up ? i know 1$ turbos are pretty fishy but anyway if i will play just like 6 tables on 3,50 turbos i could maintain positive roi i think... thanks for your info

24% over 950 games is pretty good I believe, but bigger samples are always better. I think you should stay there a bit longer before moving up permanently, but you can certainly start mixing in the 3.50s

Penthagoron said:

i am playing 7 - 13 tables at once depends on what am i doing as additional thing... if i am chatting on facebook with gf or watching videos i have opened only 7 talbes if not i do open more....

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Maybe I am misunderstanding this post - but it sounds ridiculous. 7 tables is a helluva lot, 13 barely sounds feasible.

Edited to add detail on why I've rudely dismissed it as so unlikely : consciously people can typically attend to 7 +/- 2 'concepts' simultaneously (look for George Miller research on attention if you're interested). More recent neurological studies suggest it's probably less. Consider concepts as "what my hand is" + "what his hand might be" + "what happens if the turn is..." etc. You can easily fill all of your available attention with one table. You don't have to of course - you can split attention. But if you get past a certain amount you are literally attending to nothing at all. Hypnotists use attention overload to shove people into trance. Anyone who has experienced this will know it's literally like being pushed into a daydream. You could possibly play so many tables in a trance state but even then I think you've reduced the play to luck and i don't think an ROI of 24% would be likely.

I am really interested in being shot down on this one because it just doesn't sound possible to me and I've love to know it was...

The Nuder said:

Maybe I am misunderstanding this post - but it sounds ridiculous. 7 tables is a helluva lot, 13 barely sounds feasible.

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For multitablers this is not a lot i know people that play over 20 tables at a time.

steveiam said:

For multitablers this is not a lot i know people that play over 20 tables at a time.

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Are we talking about playing in MTT's with 20 plus tables? Because we've all done that or are we actually talking about playing 20 tournaments simultaneously?

Even if I was physically capable of doing that, which I'm not, it isn't practically possible because of time constraints on taking action etc.

I'd love to see this in action, are there any vids of people playing so many tables?

Do they use software to help them?

Firts of all ROI of 24% with 7tabling is good but u need to be conscious that increasing the tables might decrease your ROI though it increses ur returns per hour. As far as to your question on moving up is there i advice you to wait atleast for 1600 games before u get a more precise ROI estimate and then u can decide to move up or not.

The Nuder said:

Are we talking about playing in MTT's with 20 plus tables? Because we've all done that or are we actually talking about playing 20 tournaments simultaneously?

Even if I was physically capable of doing that, which I'm not, it isn't practically possible because of time constraints on taking action etc.

I'd love to see this in action, are there any vids of people playing so many tables?

Do they use software to help them?

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I am talking about playing over 20 mtt's at the same time..

LOL hilarious.

This guy: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/nanonoko-fastest-player-world-plays-24-a-200598/

plays 24 STT and is"the fastest player in the world"

Reading between the lines it sounds as though he's actually just using poker as a platform for his own game. Which is about odds for blunt super aggression and not an actual refined poker strategy.

None the less, clearly I am wrong, there are whizzes out there who can do this - and do it well.

There must be software to organise the tables though?

The Nuder said:

LOL hilarious.

This guy: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/nanonoko-fastest-player-world-plays-24-a-200598/

plays 24 STT and is"the fastest player in the world"

Reading between the lines it sounds as though he's actually just using poker as a platform for his own game. Which is about odds for blunt super aggression and not an actual refined poker strategy.

None the less, clearly I am wrong, there are whizzes out there who can do this - and do it well.

There must be software to organise the tables though?

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There is a programme called tableninja that some of the multi tablers use.

i was thinking to switch to reg 180 players 4.50$ when i will have like 400$+ on my acc as they have less variance... dunno if it will be good idea to play like 8 tables at once as u need to make deeper stack post flop decisions but i am sure that they are beatable for 25-50 % roi after bigger sample, aren't they? if someone has experience with playing those reg tourneys write here your opinion on them here please.

thanks, Pentha...

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any reg from 4.50 180 players reg speed? or someone who knows how much roi is possible to get on that kind of tourneys????

There are more options than moving up or not. You can take shots with limited numbers of buyins, and you can do this in various ways. For example, decide how many buyins your shot will involve. You don't need nearly as many as you would to actually change levels, but you should allocate enough to play at least a few games, so maybe a min. of 5 buyins and a max of 10 to limit your losses if you get crushed.

The idea isn't really to move up with this small shot roll, although this can happen if you run good. The main objective is to see how the play is at the higher level, and to assess if you're ready to play there full-time. If you decide you are, then you should go back to your usual level until your BR is fully funded to play at the higher level.