Most profitable SNG?

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What do you think is the most profitable SNG format for a good player? I found that 6-max are great for profit but I was wondering if it´s profitable to play 18, 27, 45-man? It seems to me that the difference between reward vs. varience is so big at multitable SNG that is not much profitable. Even 90, 180 and 360-man. So am I the only one who founds single table SNG better? And if you want to hit big then classic MTTs?
 
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I'm definitely a fan of the 6max games, completely different style, and I play fairly low stakes so alot of people I play against don't know the nuances of the game. As far as MTT or single table goes, I'm unable to make a solid answer if one or the other is better. I like 6 max MTT's vs one table personally because single table only pays 2 people, and the second place gets shafted alot in terms of winnings. MTT's allow for a more progressive tournament throughout without constantly feeling like you're bubbling on the money.
IMO anyway.
 
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I will definitely try MTT 6-max tables but unfortunately there are no turbos on STARS. I found 6-max turbos the most fun because the speed of blind increase just seems right. At 9-handed SNGs are turbos too fast and regular too slow. :D
 
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I think it depends on the player. Being good doesn't mean a person's game is equally suited to all types of games. Making the most profit ultimately comes down to hourly win rate, which involves relative skill advantage in different games, how many games are available, how many you can effectively multi-table, how long they take to play, etc.
 
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I feel if you were to play $1.00 90 man and 180 mtts it could be very profitable .

$3.50 and upwards on pokerstars you will find good players and it will always be tough at the final bubble stage, to get the big score.
The benifit of $1.00 mtts are alot of players are Either A on tilt having a down swing
B have total disregard for $1.00 and willing to take a gamble.
Or C very tight and passive playing a waiting game.
alot more chips are up for grabs if your willing to get them

this combination for the solid optimal grinder will be profitable if your willing to put in the hours
 
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MTT sngs will have the higher average ROI but may also experience the highest tilt-inducing swings so it's something to consider for sure.

Profitable sngs that can be a bit of a grind can be HU hypers, which are a lot of fun!
 
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The best format for a good player is the ones they are best in. I know this doesn't exactly help, but it's impossible for me to answer what SnG's are going to be more profitable for you. They might be the STTs or the 180man SNG's.

You're going to know yourself better than anyone which SnG format is best for you.
 
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I like 6 max MTT's vs one table personally because single table only pays 2 people, and the second place gets shafted alot in terms of winnings. MTT's allow for a more progressive tournament throughout without constantly feeling like you're bubbling on the money.
IMO anyway.

I definitely agree with this; I would rather pay the same amount with an opportunity to win more. Especially considering you'd have to get 1st place to make a decent profit in a 6-max. Than again, patience and time is a strong suit of mine, so I don't mind playing in long tournaments.
 
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The best format for a good player is the ones they are best in. I know this doesn't exactly help, but it's impossible for me to answer what SnG's are going to be more profitable for you. They might be the STTs or the 180man SNG's.

You're going to know yourself better than anyone which SnG format is best for you.
^^^ This.

I know 9 max SNGs are best for me.
 
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Try hyper-turbo HU SNG. You can find a looooot of fishes there especially on micro and low limits. However, you have to deal with a huge variance in those games. That's a terrible problem for many plying these, including me. But it's fun and if are are able to control your emotions, you can make profit there.
 
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I think it depends on the player. Being good doesn't mean a person's game is equally suited to all types of games. Making the most profit ultimately comes down to hourly win rate, which involves relative skill advantage in different games, how many games are available, how many you can effectively multi-table, how long they take to play, etc.
Actually good advice

I feel if you were to play $1.00 90 man and 180 mtts it could be very profitable .

$3.50 and upwards on pokerstars you will find good players and it will always be tough at the final bubble stage, to get the big score.
The benifit of $1.00 mtts are alot of players are Either A on tilt having a down swing
B have total disregard for $1.00 and willing to take a gamble.
Or C very tight and passive playing a waiting game.
alot more chips are up for grabs if your willing to get them

this combination for the solid optimal grinder will be profitable if your willing to put in the hours
Not sure whats hes saying
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The best format for a good player is the ones they are best in. I know this doesn't exactly help, but it's impossible for me to answer what SnG's are going to be more profitable for you. They might be the STTs or the 180man SNG's.


You're going to know yourself better than anyone which SnG format is best for you.
^^^advice
I play Turbo 9s and 18s
 
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least profitable is heads up hypers for rolls! most profitable is probably don's if you find a soft site with them and good traffic
 
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Good players will play the games that maximize their hourly.

For me, it's 6-max Hypers :eek:
 
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i started at 0,1 and 0,5

I started playing sng of 0,1 and 0,5, in 360 formats, and i have realized that is not profitable because you need to win (being first) at least one of every 200 hundrede tournament,

otherwise you will lose, problem is when you are in a downswing you can spend 1000 sng in a row without a single 1,2 or 3erd place, which give you at the end a negative outcom, since you are paying and entrance and your roi is under 0,

so in order to reduce the variance i´m moving this month to slower tournaments which let me play better poker and try to see for three months or so if i can make a profit of it
 
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If you look at what players are making the most money in, it's heads up sit and go hyper turbos.

Second is probably 6 max hyper turbo heads up sit and gos.

I'm not sure if heads up sit and go turbo is next, or MTT SNG, or something else entirely, it's hard to say after that.

I would just look at all the games that have good mid to high stakes action, and consider playing any of those (pick one you like). That way, if you have success and move up, you know you'll have plenty of action and you won't be forced to move into another game right away.

But as far as what the most "soft money" is playing right now, it's hyper turbo husngs and 6 max hyper turbo sngs. It's a catch 22 though, wherever the softest money goes, the best players also go, but both of these games are very beatable for plenty of profit at low to mid stakes (they get harder as you get into mid to high stakes games).
 
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Ryan how much buy-ins do you recommend for heads up hyper's should you be really nitty with your brm or take shots? Also what is a good expected winrate?
 
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Ryan how much buy-ins do you recommend for heads up hyper's should you be really nitty with your brm or take shots? Also what is a good expected winrate?

As a rough guide, Heads up hypers BRM should be similar to single table turbo sngs - around 100 buyins or so. A popular strategy that people use is 50/35 - move up to a level when you have 50 buyins for it, move down when you have 35 left.

Expected winrates - 3/4% roi, depending on levels. When you learn to multitable (2 tabling $15s with 3% roi can get you around $15 hourly pre rakeback). Obviously, as these games are hypers they are pretty swingy
 
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As others have said it depends on what suits you ..... HU might be profitable, but if it's not your thing, it's better to stay away I guess. I play all kinds of SNGs from micro MTTs 0,10/0,50c with 180/360 players. Ocasionally play Fifty50 but lately I'm bored with that, so I moved to hyper-turbos which is real fun, but yea as Topper said variance is really high, so I can't say I play only these. In the end it's really up to you where you gonna make profit. Generally speaking it makes sense that you can get most out of hyper turbo SNGs, especially if there's lot of donks. Question is whether it's for you. You'd also need nice bankroll to start with hyper-turbo.
 
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I also like SNGs tournament but it there are important things to know: It is real fun at SNGs and we all can go and play one if we had bad run at cashing games, because in SNGs you can't loose more than the buy in amount. But in that type of tournaments you can't make some big wins especially if you are going to win 180players SNGs which is not that easy cuz in 180 players there are always good players so you can't win every one of this SNGs. Truth is if you want to make good bankroll you should play more cash games than SNGs.
 
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Truth is if you want to make good bankroll you should play more cash games than SNGs.

This is absolutely NOT the truth. You should play what you enjoy and are good at. I don't think I have the mentality for cash games so I don't grind them. Always been more of a sng/tournament player.

If you're implying that there are not proper sng grinders out there and just cash game players making $$$, then I'm sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about. Hell, I think DoN sngs are the best bankroll builders for what they are - low risk game that can be used to bonuswhore amazingly
 
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You could also say 'if you want lose whole bankroll you should play more cash games than SNGs' :p
 
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It depends on alot of variables & obviously of course what you have experience in & excel at. (ie. how many tables you can play)
As far as high ROI%, I haven't seen any players with higher ROI's than the guys who play the 18man & 27man 'reg' speed SNG's but keep in mind, you're not going to be able to put in a massive amount of volume in these compared to other sng's (due to avg. length of game).
45's (reg. speed) on FTP back in the day used to be good too.
 
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Ryan how much buy-ins do you recommend for heads up hyper's should you be really nitty with your brm or take shots? Also what is a good expected winrate?

As a rough guide, Heads up hypers BRM should be similar to single table turbo sngs - around 100 buyins or so. A popular strategy that people use is 50/35 - move up to a level when you have 50 buyins for it, move down when you have 35 left.

Expected winrates - 3/4% roi, depending on levels. When you learn to multitable (2 tabling $15s with 3% roi can get you around $15 hourly pre rakeback). Obviously, as these games are hypers they are pretty swingy

This is great advice.

The swings will depend on the winrate that you have (when most people talk about swings they are talking about negative variance, aka what are the odds that I will lose 20, 30, 40 etc. buyins, and the higher your winrate the lower the chance).
 
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at least 45 man stt because 9,18 or 27 player stt arent that profitable because of the low prices t¿you get after ending in the first places. the pokerstars 180 man 2,20 turbo stt are very profitable in the long run because the skill of many players is terrible and there are lots of good prices if you end up in the first places. also the 4.50 180 man stt are very good, but those tourneys arent turbo and the skill is much higher than the 2.20, however the prices and stucture are quite good to be profitable at them if you are a good player.
 
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Lately, I've enjoyed the Bovada $4.40 beginner SnG. It pays 4 places, and it takes next to no effort to cash every single time, just ABC poker, identify the guys calling off their chips with middle pair and bad kicker, etc... . 1st pays like $12, second like $10, 3rd like $7.50 even 4th $5.50 for a buck profit.

If you're looking to build a roll from a small amount, I think it's a great, safe way to do it.

I prefer slightly larger fields, but if I only have time for a one table, this is one of the ones I fire up.
 
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