More competition in Turbo or Regular?

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Im playing alot of Sit n Gos. Im wondering if you think more fish play in the turbos or the regular blind structures.

Two ways to think about it... Good players play in the regular and play solid hands, get more reads, etc.

Or... Good players want to make more moves in the Turbos. Know more about when to shove soft. And can play more games at the turbo than they can the regulars.

Im playing alot of 45 person SnG's right now and the turbos seem fairly strong with people understanding ICM and when to push/fold.

Anyways, tell me what you think
 
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Honestly i feel the same way at times. I play the shit out of sng 18 players 16 buy in is my fav. Its alil of both people playing tight til a certain point. You have to think in turbo you should think that u start with 3000 not 1500, in your mind always look at as if you double and ahalf chip then what you really have. Thats how play them, and hell yoour get beat by unaverage hands all the time, but thats poker shit happens. You shoulod move up in the buys in try the 36 180 and so forth. Remember the chip value in turbo, I bet your have better luck playing like that. Ex, when u have 500 left and blinds are 100 and 200 25 ante u can wait til u have 200 left and still when one hand and pput your stack almost at average, then just do it again.
 
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I think it changes up at times. When I first tried turbos and sharkscoped players there were loads of regs in them and not many dummies.

But recently there's an average number of regs and lots of dummies.
 
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I'm saying go to regular.
Best will survive , few of the good ones will get eliminated by luck and most of them will play a solid game.
At turbo's when some go all in and get to be chip leader for the rest of the tournament until final table is not skill... its just dumb luck!


Anyways my choice is and will always be: REGULAR
 
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I'm saying go to regular.
Best will survive , few of the good ones will get eliminated by luck and most of them will play a solid game.
At turbo's when some go all in and get to be chip leader for the rest of the tournament until final table is not skill... its just dumb luck!


Anyways my choice is and will always be: REGULAR

Sorry - but advising to play where the players are better is really really bad advice. :p
 
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If you think so but I would choose to play against a pro than a beginner.

Then to be as nice as I can possibly be - you have a LOT to learn about how to win playing poker. There is no winning experienced poker player who will agree with you.

Long term if you are a good player you will beat the bad players. Good players are much harder to beat.

In standard or turbo sng's the winning regs are going to have so many edges over an inexperienced player like you that long term you have zero chances of winning.

I consider myself experienced at this point and I still have to try hard to avoid the regs and find the bad players so I can keep winning.

Just trying to help you - you will really have to change that mentality to be successful. :)

And we just can't let it slide when advice that bad is given to a player trying to make decisions on what to play. :(
 
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Then to be as nice as I can possibly be - you have a LOT to learn about how to win playing poker. There is no winning experienced poker player who will agree with you.

Long term if you are a good player you will beat the bad players. Good players are much harder to beat.

In standard or turbo sng's the winning regs are going to have so many edges over an inexperienced player like you that long term you have zero chances of winning.

I considered myself experienced at this point and I still have to try hard to avoid the regs and find the bad players so I can keep winning.

Just trying to help you - you will really have to change that mentality to be successful. :)

And we just can't let it slide when advice that bad is given to a player trying to make decisions on what to play. :(

well said txs :p; and when u r sitting w regs, make sure u have their number(s)... generally I like them to my left... re OP I think there are lots of regs who specialize in each of the varieties such as turbo, STT regular ...
 
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I consider myself experienced at this point and I still have to try hard to avoid the regs and find the bad players so I can keep winning.

Great Point but I have one question... I can see if youre choosing a table for a cash game that you can be selective. But these Sit n Go's fill up so quickly I dont see how you know exactly what the competion will be until you are in it. Give me a tip on how you search out your competition and games you play.

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Great Point but I have one question... I can see if youre choosing a table for a cash game that you can be selective. But these Sit n Go's fill up so quickly I dont see how you know exactly what the competion will be until you are in it. Give me a tip on how you search out your competition and games you play.

Thanks

You are so right - at the lower stakes you really don't have time to search when you are ready to get in games.

I have played so many that I already have notes on a lot of the regs. If I find someone that I have a lot of hands on I make a note to SS them. At FT it is great because you can add notes in the lobby. (though overall PS's note feature is wayyyyyyy better than FT's!)

Also if during a game somebody looks familiar, or makes plays that makes me think they might be a reg or a fish I make a note to SS them.

One of the biggest thing tho is watch for the multi-tablers and check them out and add notes. That is how you find the biggest sharks and fish.

After playing a while and doing all this you will start finding when you search games you already have notes on several players and can do your table selection like that.
 
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I think it changes up at times. When I first tried turbos and sharkscoped players there were loads of regs in them and not many dummies.

But recently there's an average number of regs and lots of dummies.

After the wsop is aired, there is always an influx of new players, many of whom think that shoving with any two cards makes sense. Last year, I called it "The Cada Effect" but it's true every year.

It will settle back down, and the tables will be more populated with regulars. If you play NLHE SNGs, though, that pool is very large on the big sites. If you play less popular games, the pool of regulars can be pretty small.

I like FLHE and OHL SNGs, and will often have played with at least half the table before and have notes on them. Some folks have been around for years, successfully. (They have notes on me, too, I'm sure.) Sharkscope will help ferret out other good newer players. Amongst the FLHE crowd, it's just a matter of variance if the all the final 3 are not regs. I expect that.

I definitely prefer to play with regs, whose tendencies are noted. But the presence of newbies makes it more likely that I will cash. A table full of solid regs means more consistent play, but also a harder game to cash in. A table full of newbies usually means wilder play and luck then matters more. If I get on a table full of newbs who, in FL, cap the betting every time, I can either amass an early big stack that can help me win -- or get slaughtered early on when they catch some luck. At a table full of regs, I am a lot less likely to find myself with a big stack, and it's a lot more likely that several of us will still be there at the break, scrambling, with the bubble not yet burst and the blinds huge.

So it's not so simple as to say one prefers playing with people who play rationally. The irrational play can help you. You may be able to figure out what's going on with the rational ones, true. The rational players may not pay you off when the irrational ones might -- and that can make a diffence in one's own ability to cash. That said, it helps to know who on a table is likely to play a smart game, and who might be overplaying hands. A mix is good.
 
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Then to be as nice as I can possibly be - you have a LOT to learn about how to win playing poker. There is no winning experienced poker player who will agree with you.

Long term if you are a good player you will beat the bad players. Good players are much harder to beat.

In standard or turbo sng's the winning regs are going to have so many edges over an inexperienced player like you that long term you have zero chances of winning.

I consider myself experienced at this point and I still have to try hard to avoid the regs and find the bad players so I can keep winning.

Just trying to help you - you will really have to change that mentality to be successful. :)

And we just can't let it slide when advice that bad is given to a player trying to make decisions on what to play. :(

Its just me or I want to play experienced players where I can try test my skills not the lucky dumb guys where no skill is required ?:hmmmm:
 
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Its just me or I want to play experienced players where I can try test my skills not the lucky dumb guys where no skill is required ?:hmmmm:

It is not just you - I think we all started in that place lol. I remember when I felt the same.

It also takes skill to beat the lucky dumb guys. :)

And I bet some of the people you think are lucky dumb guys are really regs who are using their edge on you and others. Unless you are only playing micro stakes. The problem with the skill it takes to beat them is that most of us don't possess the necessary skill - which is why they are tougher. And everyone gets lucky in sng's - you, me, the regs, the fish. Don't worry about trying to beat the luck - just accept that it exists for everyone and focus on other things instead. If you are sitting at tables with mostly good players then you will have plenty of that to worry about. :p
 
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To play players of similar or greater ability is - ev.

It's crucial to successful poker playing that a player understands that over time skill will trump luck. Saying more luck is involved when playing against fish is imdo completely wrong.

Unless your talking about the fish. They are the ones that require luck to win, not you. Over time, if you keep making the correct decisions and stop worrying about the outcome, you will be much more successful.

When your playing against better players you become the fish and require luck more than skill.
 
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To play players of similar or greater ability is - ev.

It's crucial to successful poker playing that a player understands that over time skill will trump luck. Saying more luck is involved when playing against fish is imdo completely wrong.

Unless your talking about the fish. They are the ones that require luck to win, not you. Over time, if you keep making the correct decisions and stop worrying about the outcome, you will be much more successful.

When your playing against better players you become the fish and require luck more than skill.

Thanks - you said it much better than I did!
 
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I'm a tight player and don't feel any added pressure from turbo's except the rare occasion when you have lots of tight players . I think there are more fish in turbo's because many think you have to make moves very early . but I can see how most fish would not want the game going any faster than normal and flocking to the standard SnG .
I think there are plenty of fish in all games and if you table select like daks
then you have an added advantage .
 
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45 regs. & 45 turbos are wayyyyy different. Personally I MUCH prefer the reg 45's on Fulltilt (no antes) then the 45 turbos on Stars (there's not alot of 'poker' to the turbos). In the reg. 45's, there's room to 3bet resteal in spots w/o needing to ship it (stacks are deep enough due to the structure that when you're 2tables left, there's quite often a decent amount of play in the game). Hmm.. how else can I put it.... it much more resembles playing an MTT (alot of MTT regs. play the 45's on Fulltilt). personally I like them wayyyy more.

sidenote 're:notes'... I prefer the note feature on Fulltilt, LOL. I HATE the way pokerstars has ur frigg'n notes bounce all over the place (you're writing them on a player & a sec. later there they are in the chatbox of another table... sucks big time imo). Whereas on Fulltilt, you can pull that notebox off & just set it aside, jot down the notes whenever you feel like it without worrying about it jumping around,etc. (you can also add to notes on players in the lobby before the game has started).
How are PokerStars notes feature better than this? .. curious??
 
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Im finding the same about there not being alot of poker being played at some of these turbos. If I had to lean and say one or another then I think IMO I think there are more regulars playing the turbos and more noobs playing the regular. I say that by there play and also it seems like much more multi-table players at the turbos and more one-tabeling the regulars.

To be honest there's not alot of difference in elimination say the first 20 people or so. But the regulars do slow up quite a bit with just two tables or less. What I did this weekend and seemed to work pretty well was have two regular tables up at the top of my screen and two turbos up at the bottom.
 
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How are PokerStars notes feature better than this? .. curious??

They are soooo much easier to identify for one thing - the color circles the avatar instead of the tiny piece of color often hidden by hud stats at FT. They are easy to label and I find it much easier to remember simply by seeing the color what I want to know about the player.

I do like the detachable feature at FT too though.
 
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The challenge depends on the level you are playing. There is more variance in sit n gos therefore the skill factor is reduced and plays more to luck. There is also more variance with more players in the sit n go. playing standard sit n gos will be ur best chance
 
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They are soooo much easier to identify for one thing - the color circles the avatar instead of the tiny piece of color often hidden by hud stats at FT. They are easy to label and I find it much easier to remember simply by seeing the color what I want to know about the player.

I do like the detachable feature at FT too though.

You can get mods. at 'Tiltbuster' so that you can have the colour rings on Fulltilt as well.
 
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I prefer the regular and believe it rewards the conservative, patient player. My experience with the turbo has been lots of all-ins and players hoping to make a fast return on high percentage hands. Unless I'm on an incredible streak, the risk doesn't seem worth the reward.
 
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