Min Raising Tournament Play?

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I was watching a sweat with video of goleafsgoeh and he suggested a "min raise theory" where no matter what hand it was he would always min raise. I was just wondering what you guys thought of this. His reasoning was that he people won't be able to put him on a hand range, and if someone decides that want to reraise him didn't invest very much into the pot. Also he said that it would invite hands that he dominates to play for cheap and hoping they stick around for a little so he can get some value.

Just wanted to know what the CardsChat people thought about this? It was sort of interesting for me.
 
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Opening small and thus making it cost less for opponents to call is a double-edged sword. There are pros and cons, which means that how good a fit this style is for a particular player depends on his game and the aspects where he has advantages over his opponents.
 
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I have always played too tight and usually just call, even with KK.. QQ AK pre flop. I am learning and starting to use that "min raise theory", only if I have a decent hand pre flop. I believe most good players will fold to even a min raise if they don't have a value hand, pre flop. I have so much to learn, lol.
 
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I use this strategy maybe 10 times a tourney. It really puts pressure on the thought process of your opponent. The only time it doesn't is when your opponent hits a hand and is hard for them to conceal that he/she has a better hand and you are able to save chips. Then on the other hand, this leads to hands being hit and later on in different hands can help you steal some pots. Got to be real careful though, this can lose you portions of your stack, but still is a great move to keep people on their toes.
 
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I use this strategy maybe 10 times a tourney. It really puts pressure on the thought process of your opponent. The only time it doesn't is when your opponent hits a hand and is hard for them to conceal that he/she has a better hand and you are able to save chips. Then on the other hand, this leads to hands being hit and later on in different hands can help you steal some pots. Got to be real careful though, this can lose you portions of your stack, but still is a great move to keep people on their toes.
Do you feel big pressure the second you see someone min-open? I doubt it, so why is it correct to assume your opponents do? Depending on the level you play at, some won't even notice your size, just that you opened..
 
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I do this a lot during middle stages of the tournament but I would only 2.5x raise im early stages my reason behind this strategy is people know what I am going to have so I can steal the blinds more often than 3xing, min raising is a great way to steal the blinds as I said, only when your in position
 
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There is merit for playing small ball in the early stages of an MTT, but it is not for the faint of heart, and it doesn't sound like what you are describing here.

If you're min-raising most/all of the time, you're allowing draw hands to backdoor you for a cheap price.
 
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This is a good strategy in the presence of a good stack relative to that of your opponents at the table. And yet this must not overdo it. :)
 
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I love this style of play.
I just suck at it.
 
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Do you feel big pressure the second you see someone min-open? I doubt it, so why is it correct to assume your opponents do? Depending on the level you play at, some won't even notice your size, just that you opened..
I do feel pressure at times when someone has min raised..Not always but have felt that pressure of "What are they playing and the range". (I don't know that of course) But for me to be considered good at poker you gotta extract chips from every player and if your opponent hits a small pair and min raises on your draws or small pair, when you have the smaller pair a min raise is always stressful.. You can not tell if they are just trying to build the pot looking to take a big one down or if they are just trying to buy the pot making it look like they have a monster and are trying to sucker you. When you have 10 BB's and someone make a min raise of 1000, cause blinds are up, on your small pairs or draws, it will be tough to know whether they have a good one or not.
 
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There is merit for playing small ball in the early stages of an MTT, but it is not for the faint of heart, and it doesn't sound like what you are describing here.

If you're min-raising most/all of the time, you're allowing draw hands to backdoor you for a cheap price.
I am only talking bout the second part from this quote, Making a fold when those draws come out and you have been min raising a lot is ok but not what anyone wants. Guess you better know when to hold em, and know when to fold em!!! LOL
 
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hi!
you play tag with a player like him in the table,you raise 4-5X instead of 2-3X and he just add value in your pot
post flop he cant call you or min raise you
i dont think this is a good poker strategy
 
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This is a good strategy in the presence of a good stack relative to that of your opponents at the table. And yet this must not overdo it. :)

In super deep stack situations I have seen many players overdo-ing it and get burnt so bad, so so bad. Selectively using it when against low to medium stack opponents would be an ideal tactic.
 
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I use a similar tactic that kind of goes along this theory. I'll decide a raise range according to a specific table or game and if I am raising I raise everything that amount. If its 10's I'll raise it the same as aces or any other raise hand.
 
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I just generally play the small ball approach a good percentage of the time. Only in the first couple of levels do I make 3x my standard open. The reason min raising works so well in tournaments is because with the increasing blinds, a min raise becomes a higher percentage of your opponents stack thus meaning a min bet accomplishes the same as a larger open but getting a much better price on your steals. Yes you will get called more frequently but then a c bet usually takes it down anyway. It also disguises your range meaning you can steal cheaply so your steals don't need a very high success rate to be profitable.

Another point is I like to play post flop poker and although there is less post flop poker in tournaments you're still going to have to see a lot of flops over the course of the tournament. Making 2x instead of 3x means the effective stacked are a little deeper post flop giving me a chance to actually utilise my edge more effectivly than in the case with big bet poker.


To be honest I thought almost everyone had adopted the min raise approach in tournament play. Don't all the pros do this now, I thought it was the current trend?
 
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It s a gambling theory !

A pro can make this move until his stack don t let him to do it anymore ( ratio BB/chips is too high ), his playing style on the flop will let him increase his stack mainly he s realy good in HU play
 
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In super deep stack situations I have seen many players overdo-ing it and get burnt so bad, so so bad. Selectively using it when against low to medium stack opponents would be an ideal tactic.

I agree.
 
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I believe it is very important to keep variance in to the game.

I have seen a player once steeling severel blinds in a row simply by raising with one BB.

As a short stack I had to wait for my hand. And I ended up by doubling my stack twice and he stopped the stealing.

Keep variance and min raise when you fell the table are getting nerveus.
 
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In my opinion you should start to min-raise until you get to the 100/200 level. This is the perfect time to make steal because of the fold equity during this time are much higher compared to the previous earlier phase.
 
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I recently watched some mtt training videos and all the open-raises of the heros (one was "Nanonoko") were just minraises, but the blinds were very high. Maybe this is the main reason.
 
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Min raise means more people gonna call you. Keep the pot or the part of the pot you called there small so if you feel you lose on turn/river you can easily fold. The more people play the hand, the less money you put there and still have big enough pot. It works rly good when you have the nuts and dont show your power. :) Every1 is gonna call min bet when you play your hand right.

Make sure you get as many chops from your opponent as you can. Never make bets which may make your opponent fold. Why make him fold now if he can still donate some more chips for you. Maybe a min bet more but still more than if your opponent folded earlier.
 
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It depends.

It has pros and cons.

Yeah sure, youre unreadable but your wasting chips in the process.
 
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It can be a great strategy to play like this, but you need a big stack and great post-flop reading skills to try and implement it
 
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I just generally play the small ball approach a good percentage of the time. Only in the first couple of levels do I make 3x my standard open. The reason min raising works so well in tournaments is because with the increasing blinds, a min raise becomes a higher percentage of your opponents stack thus meaning a min bet accomplishes the same as a larger open but getting a much better price on your steals. Yes you will get called more frequently but then a c bet usually takes it down anyway. It also disguises your range meaning you can steal cheaply so your steals don't need a very high success rate to be profitable.

Another point is I like to play post flop poker and although there is less post flop poker in tournaments you're still going to have to see a lot of flops over the course of the tournament. Making 2x instead of 3x means the effective stacked are a little deeper post flop giving me a chance to actually utilise my edge more effectivly than in the case with big bet poker.


To be honest I thought almost everyone had adopted the min raise approach in tournament play. Don't all the pros do this now, I thought it was the current trend?

good post!

yes...it is DEFINITELY the trend in major live tourneys.

in the early levels when blinds are 25/50 everyone is open raising to 125. If somebody raises to 150 they actually kind of look like they are behind the trend; it makes them appear inexperienced. (like they're on MySpace and haven't signed up with Facebook yet)

as the blinds go up to 100/200 they'll make it 225 or 250

when blinds are 200/400 they'll make it 825 or 850

it gets smaller and smaller to where it is eventually just a min raise plus an ante.

I don't see a straight up min raise too often...it's usually 2.5x before the antes and then min raise plus 1 or 2 antes once antes are introduced.

just beware that this "small ball" approach is ideal for players with better than average post flop skills. And "average" is a constantly changing grade based on what tournament you're in and what table you're at.
 
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