min raise on flop. sign of strength or weakness?

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I had K J suited. Board came J high with 2 rags of my suit. I bet 3/4 pot and he min raised. i thought it was a feeler bet to see if I was just cbetting so I shoved. I had him covered so I thought he wpuld fold but he called, rightly, with pocket jacks. Made me wonder if that is typically a sign of strength or weakness to min raise.
 
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Alot of players min reraise flop with made hands to induce a shove or a raise, but it's alway player dependent.
 
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Guess I shoulda made a note on him :)
 
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Normally I proceed with caution with a min raise. It just entices you to call because you are usually getting such a good price. People with weak hands don't want callers. But again, he could think that you would think that and make the min raise a bluff.
 
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You know, I find that min raise to be rather strange.

It seems to me that he was in one of those "half-way" moods. It seems if he really wanted to make money he would have just called and let you keep betting.

If he was afraid of the flush possibility he would have raised harder to ensure that suck out didn't occur.

It seems like a combo of both, he wanted to make chips and scare away a potential flush.

However, when I read the title I thought you meant a min bet on the flop, not a min re-raise.

Any re-raise that isn't power is usually to get more chips. An all-in re-raise is usually a semi-bluff...

So if he re-raised and didn't shove, prob means he got a monster.

But the min bet on the flop, I see a lot, anywhere from a draw to a monster. That is really player dependent.
 
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i tend to notice most players will min raise an opponents bet on flop when they are on a draw...as well as a player with a pocket pair that is higher than any card on flop. it all depend on the players tendencies to whether you should assume strength. in general, most times a player min raises, i see it as a sign of strength.
 
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It depends. If you have top pair you are best raising, if you are shoved then fold. Clearly got to excited by the nuts he flopped. If they are minimum betting on every street then be prepared for them to show over a better hand..Even if you think you are losing but are drawing for those few outs and they are min betting you have to call.

Having said that some donks will min raise thinking you are getting away when you are getting 15/1to call or something obscene. They don't dare put in half pot or anything and if you do more times than not will fold unless of course they are slow playing the nuts in which case don't bet and just check it down calling the small bets.
 
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min raise can be anything, draw or he wants to 'fish' something. most of times i thing 'Danger'
 
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need stats on villain OP..also hand converter with hand history is always great


this is online right not live? lol if its live..disregard this ^^^
 
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Normally I proceed with caution with a min raise. It just entices you to call because you are usually getting such a good price. People with weak hands don't want callers. But again, he could think that you would think that and make the min raise a bluff.

Yep, Care rethink your hand, especially in low buyin tournaments....
 
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need stats on villain OP..also hand converter with hand history is always great


this is online right not live? lol if its live..disregard this ^^^

It was online but this isn't the hand histories section and the question is so much broader than just one hand. Plus I have to use my phone to do this and it doesn't always do all online stuff quite right. I figured an outline was enough. Sorry.
 
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the minraise is a standard bluff as well as value play, especially amongst alot of euros. you need to think about how the other guy has played so far to evaluate.

It is a rather effective bluff/semi bluff as it scares teh bejesus out of most players because it looks very strong in it's own way, yet is a small investment if it fails.

Personally, if I had your hand i likely would have clicked it back on te hvillain with a min 4bet.
 
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I think you have to look at the skill level of your villain. Lots of your opponents will not know how much they should bet/ raise/ reraise, I think in this case the opponent has no clue about how much to reraise.

Another way to look at it: Bad players most of the time bet low when they have something good, when a bad player is reraising most of the time he will have 2 pair or better, but there will also be times he'll just have a draw.

You should look if the villain is doing it very much or if it is the first time he is doing it. When he is using this move alot i would just flat call, keep the pot small. And if it is the first time he does it, and you have no draws, I would just fold while the pot is still small.
 
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