Making The Nuts On The Turn (After Betting The Flop)

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So in the first hand of a tourney I am dealt KsQs on the button with one limper from the cut-off before me. I raise to 4BB and get a call from both the small blind and the cut-off.

The flop comes 6sAsTh, and it gets checked to me with the cut-off taking a bit of time to check. I figure he might have hit something, but I have a flush and a straight draw and can represent a bigger Ace, or push him off a Six or a Ten.

I bet 3/4 of the pot, mainly for value, but I don't mind a fold or two either. The small-blind folds, the cut-off calls and there is an 8s on the turn giving me the nuts.

Part of me thinks I should check here to either induce a bluff if he is weak or get a value bet on the river if he has some showdown value. But part of me also doesn't want to miss value here on the turn in case he does already have a decent hand or still thinks he can draw and doesn't think I have the nuts because of the way I played the flop.

So I bet just below half the pot hoping he calls or comes over the top but he folds. I'm now thinking this might be a mistake most of the time. What do you think?

Thanks in advance for any help. :)
 
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Your opponent is a shark.

He has seen this situation before and sniff you have the flush.
 
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Your opponent is a shark.

He has seen this situation before and sniff you have the flush.

Hi, thanks for the reply.

Maybe he was a shark - I'm not so certain because of some of the play afterwards... but even so, in your experience how would you play this situation on the turn most of the time without much information?

Would you check here and hope that your opponent is an aggressive shark and senses some weakness.

Or bet and hope your opponent is a more passive fish?

I didn't have much info other than the limp pre-flop and two calls which appears pretty weak in all honesty.

I'm just not sure of the best way to extract the most value in this situation, generally speaking.
 
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Checking is not good option because realisticly every good player would check back...i would bet the same as on flop
 
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Checking is not good option because realisticly every good player would check back...i would bet the same as on flop

This ^ Bet the turn the exact amount you bet the flop.
 
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You definitely over bet here. A smaller bet would have more likely got a call.
I agree with curtinsea
that a bet of the same size or a bit less on the turn would have got you some action.
 
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Ahh, okay... yes, betting exactly the same number on the turn as the flop could work out better most of the time.

For some reason I always think relative to the pot size and in my mind just below half the pot on the turn looks weak, but it will still probably look like a stronger bet to my opponent which could be part of the reason that they are more likely to fold.

Thanks for the help guys!
 
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Ahh, okay... yes, betting exactly the same number on the turn as the flop could work out better most of the time.

For some reason I always think relative to the pot size and in my mind just below half the pot on the turn looks weak, but it will still probably look like a stronger bet to my opponent which could be part of the reason that they are more likely to fold.

Thanks for the help guys!

It really depends on whether you want a small call from a larger range of hands or a chance at a lot more chips when facing another big hand. With the nuts I am usually making the same half pot bet you made and hope he has 66, TT or 79. I'd rather miss out on the chance for the small bet and maximize my chance to get second best hand to push into me on the river.

If you know that your opponent could throw away a set with the flush showing that would change things, but that is a real specific read.
 
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the problem comes with you holding the Q villain can't even have the 2nd nut flush, you just have to go for thin value and hope he calls with a weaker flush or tries to make a play and comes over the top.
 
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Check would be a poor play here. I dont know where but in the past I have read somewhere "Never slowplay flush". Just make your bet here small enough to get called and hope that he will hit flush on the river. Because of the small bet on the turn he may also think that you dont have a spade card, and if the river card is spade he may try to bluff you with big bet that would be fatal for him.
 
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In the past I have just checked back since youre representing the ace so make it seem that you dont have a flush. Also works you can try either way.
 
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