Making a bad call.

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Early stage in a live tournament. I was switched from a conservative table to a super aggressive and loose table. As I got switched to the new table, I found myself in trouble, big trouble. There were 9 players at the table, and I was the short stack; however, when I was at the pervious table, my stack looked decent. I had about 5K and the chip leader had roughly 35-40K and everyone else had about 13-20K.

On this particular hand, the blinds were 75/150, I was on the button. UTG+2 limped in so UTG 3,4,5 and 6 all limped in. As it got to me, I looked down and saw pocket 5. I thought about it and decided to only call. SB called and BB popped it to roughly 1,000 and UTG 4,5, 6, and me made the called. Back to SB, he tanked and shoved 13K. It was folded to UTG 6 who called. At this point, I had already invested 20% of my stack. I looked up and noticed that the level had just ended and the next hand would be 200/400 and it would leave me down to 10BB if I fold.

I tanked for a quick second and made the call. SB had A9 suited and UTG 6 had 77, and I had 55. UTG 6 won the pot.

As I made my exit to the rail, someone asked why did I not fold and I looked puzzled with no explanation. During the drive home, I thought I made a bad call but now that I thought about it, I don't think it was all that bad.

If I folded, it would leave me with 10BB. If I won, I would have had at least 18K and it would have brought me up to at least 3rd in chips at the table.

My question is ....... would you have done the same with pocket 5 or how would you have played it?
 
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For me i would not be calling in that position with that many limpers plus once the BB re raises it would also be an instant fold..I dont think there is anway you would be ahead.Wait for a better spot to make your move.
 
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if you'd have folded you'd have had 4k.. thats like 30bbs.

fold to the shove?
 
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Fold...55 is way too weak facing this kind of action. Remember the >10bb rule is shove OR fold. The reason for that is you cant make a standard raise w/o committing your stack. What the rule is not for is making a weak call facing 2allins b/c you will "only have 10bbs after this hand"
 
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The hand is fine as played, except for that last call. Definite fold for me.
 
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I wouldn't have played with the fives in the first place, with that many limpers.
 
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I don't think you played the hand to bad limping in with such big implied odds if you hit a set, is alright play but when facing the raise you should just fold. You have to assume someone raising into 4 limpers is gonna be strong a lot of the time.
 
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yes those 5s sound really dangerous man
 
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You can't turn down the limp with the odds you're getting, but I'd have been fully prepared to get rid of it to any raise behind. Squeeze or no you don't wanna be getting involved and pot committed with these players in this spot with 55 especially with the sheer volume of limpers
 
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For me i would not be calling in that position with that many limpers plus once the BB re raises it would also be an instant fold..I dont think there is anway you would be ahead.Wait for a better spot to make your move.

I wouldn't have played with the fives in the first place, with that many limpers.
Are you guys nuts?
With a bunch of limpers you don't want to call here 35bb's deep to setmine with unreal great implied odds? What more optimal spot do you want? (only if you're in BB & there's 8limpers? or what??)

Normally would consider folding to the re-raise but when 4 other players call & you're closing the action, you need to call. (not calling the shove there though)
 
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The best in my mind would have been to limp in and fold to the first raise.

There has been lots of times when I have said screw it lets gamble. However after the raise to 1k I would have been the one going all-in not just calling the 1k. After it is raised here I like to switch to all-in or fold mode. You possibly could have pushed the player with 77 off there hand depending on your table image. Guessing you probably had a tight image being short and all. But just calling never really scares anyone that much.
 
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Nothing wrong with calling there with 55. Don't invest more unless you hit the set.
 
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The best in my mind would have been to limp in and fold to the first raise.

There has been lots of times when I have said screw it lets gamble. However after the raise to 1k I would have been the one going all-in not just calling the 1k. After it is raised here I like to switch to all-in or fold mode. You possibly could have pushed the player with 77 off there hand depending on your table image. Guessing you probably had a tight image being short and all. But just calling never really scares anyone that much.
There goes that 'results-oriented' thinking again.....
 
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There goes that 'results-oriented' thinking again.....

Its not results oriented I think going all in or folding(after the limp) would have been a far superior move to the way it was played.

Hold on I am going to go look at the resolution to my results oriented thinking thread again......

Here it is,

The point is that bad hands, or hands played badly, will sometimes win. And good hands or hands played correctly will sometimes lose. Focusing on *either* result and letting it affect your future play is being results-oriented, and must be avoided.

I am not thinking about the results I am thinking of how he called twice after a limp on the same street!
 
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Believe you were at all-in or fold after the first raise.
 
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I think you should've waited for a better hand. Small pock pair for most of your chip isn't a good investment especially you know its an aggressive table. Just what I think.
 
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fold in that situation would be my choice.. 55 hand can get u in trouble anytime.. but you've been pulled into bed decision.. in some other case you could have won, like guy vith 77..
better luck next time..
 
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well with most situations with pockets 5's im only limping and fold to a raise, unless short stacked 12 or less bb. although with that much in the pot i cant blame you for taking a shot. better luck next time
 
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On the button means you were about to get at least 5 or 6 hands that could have been better than the one you had. The call was okay, as if the blinds had just called, you would have gotten a cheap look and you could have folded out. But calling the raise in my opinion was not a good idea.

Even after that, folding and have 10bb to play the next 6 hands was better than a shove.
 
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I think you should've waited for a better hand. Small pock pair for most of your chip isn't a good investment especially you know its an aggressive table. Just what I think.
How do we consider this to be an 'aggressive table'?
I'd think just the opposite from reading this hand history. (6 limpers, then a raise & 4 players all 'call')
 
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The weak hand play small pools.we must control risk.that is why you make a bad call.
 
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