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When people call you down when you are pricing them out and then they hit, what do you do?

I understand I should 'want' them to make these unsustainable errors, but it more often than not seems to go their way when I price, price, price them out...

Here is an example:

Did I do anything wrong

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/2786357_FF3F3DCD12
 
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Your preflop 3-bet was too small, should have been about 250-275
On that wet of a board, you need to shove on the flop
 
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Your preflop 3-bet was too small, should have been about 250-275
On that wet of a board, you need to shove on the flop

Agreed.
There is no real reason, after those mistakes, to push turn either. They haven't called on flop unless they: A) Already have you beat, i.e set, or overpair B) Have 55 or an A5 type hand(not likely in most cases, but not impossible), or C) They're chasing that flush.
More often than not, I'm seeing the turn there as well, given the way the hand has played. And they're not calling turn bet unless you're beat. Period. So turn push was biggest mistake, in a line of mistakes. No offense meant here, either.
 
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I think even if you push flop here, a flush draw will call half, or close to half of the time, maybe even more. Not that pushing isn't a good play, just that if you do make that play, you can't be too shocked when a flush draw calls and gets there, although you do want people making those types of calls. Remember, they have to get there, you're ahead until they do. Will they get there occasionally? Sure. But more often, unless a bad run etc, they're paying you off.
 
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When people call you down when you are pricing them out and then they hit, what do you do?

I understand I should 'want' them to make these unsustainable errors, but it more often than not seems to go their way when I price, price, price them out...

Here is an example:

Did I do anything wrong

http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/2786357_FF3F3DCD12
There are a lot of players out there who do not take into account pot odds. You can only make the right decisions and make it expensive for them to call. You will win in the long run, but you will have to play hundreds of SnG's
 
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As a general concept this is something I've been struggling to get my head around in terms of tournaments. I understand in cash game scenario's that giving someone an expensive price to chase a draw is the best thing to do over the long run - but does that directly apply to tournaments as well or do we need to make our prices to chase draws higher in tournaments to get ourselves more fold equity?

I suppose this all comes down to understanding ICM models?

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In a tournament situation many decisions hinge on your odds of lasting the tournament vs your opponent's, so to get fold equity you can't just price draws incorrectly. To a strong bet it's very often correct to re-shove on you and force you to make a decision for your tournament life, rather than just fold or chase. So, you very frequently need to shove on them (assuming you have the fold equity -- some people will chase even versus a shove because they're idiots).
 
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Your preflop raise did not price them out, it actually priced them in because it was too small. $250 + min to even think you are pricing them out pre.
 
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I would have bet 200 or more preflop. After seeing the flop and noticing flush and straight possibilities I would bet 300. If call then would probably not go further than flop and if reraised I would fold. Definitely a tough play there.
 
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