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Sometimes it is difficult to understand how it is possible that your hand is favorite against an opponent who plays without importanarle nothing ends up winning the hand with the help of tur and river ..
 
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Hi.You're not the first and not the last one who encountered this.It happens very often and one disastrous.Good luck.
 
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This happens but you have to see if the opponent is very paying and plays with trash hands
 
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Just poker... but look at it from other side. Mayby Your sizing is bad?
 
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Sometimes it is difficult to understand how it is possible that your hand is favorite against an opponent who plays without importanarle nothing ends up winning the hand with the help of tur and river ..
Favorite to win doesn't mean guaranteed.

It just means it will win more often than it loses in the long run.
 
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Just a part of poker. You have and will suck out on people and it will also happen to you. Just keep getting it in good and you will make chips in the long run.
 
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Bad beats are part of poker, like others said, but the other thing is: do you think you played those hands correctly? I am not saying you have played them badly, but there is such possibility ;). There were many times I took the pot with garbage hands on micro stakes, just because villain let me do it with passive play. Most often it is passive play and sizing that make it very profitable for draws to call, even weak draws like gutshot. Try to be beyond "oh, this fish is so bad and I lost anyway", try to analyse those spots and ask yourself, if you could play this better.

Below, as an example: wsop hand between Reinkemeier slow playing pocket rockets vs Seiver.

 
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The thing to remember is that the best hand will not always win. However over the long run will be more profitable. It's also not always the cards you are dealt, it's the way you play them. Was your bet sizing wrong, was you letting him in cheaply with trash? Was you C betting?

Sometimes there's not much you did wrong, you just got unlucky.

I find a lot of people moaning about coolers and bad beats claiming how it's because online poker is rigged. However, if you look over your hand history, there will be times that you have run good or been lucky but we only seem to remember and focus on the negative.
 
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Example 1:
You were dealt AA and you raised pre-flop, recreational player went All In with 72o and you called.
I believe you are expecting to win with AA 100% of the time. But reality is that AA will win 88.2% of the time vs 72o.
Example 2:
You were dealt black AA and you raised pre-flop, big blind called and flop came: 974 with 2 hears and 1 diamond. You decided to cbet and your opponent called. Turn came 8 of hearts. You decided to cbet once again and your opponent went All In.
Yes, you have AA, but on 9874 board with 3 hearts you are probably beat as your opponent can have flushes, straights, 2 pair, sets and you should fold.
If your're hand was a favorite pre-flop that doesn't mean it will be favorite on any board.
GL!:cool:
 
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Since you are writing about the showdown it is vital for everybody to understand that the winning combinations is combined after the dealing of the five community cards[flop, turn, river].

AA , KK are without doubt are the best starting hands of this particular poker variation but doesn't mean that they are unbeatable. If you think just a little bit it is just the biggest one pair card combination, the weakest combination of the game. Against an one opponent flip of course they are in favor but pre flop!

By betting the flop with a c bet or betting again the turn you apply pressure to the opponent not to see another card and take the chips in the middle right away. Why you bet flop and turn? In order to stop him improve his potential combination. Having watched a ton of streams from the absolute ''wizards'' of the game I have seen so many nit folds by them in order to save them some chips for their future plays in a MTT. They calculate everything because they know what the optimal play is. Don't expect from the vast majority of the frerollers and the small buy-in players to play optimally.

Under no circumstance I am an expert or something but I just wrote my humble opinion. Good luck :)
 
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in theory and statistics wise, if we are 50+% of the time to win, we will win over time but thats over a long sample size. most of our memory is to the bad beats we took but never the big hands we won that we were favored to win
 
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This is a game, so poker is so unpredictable
Just need to understand what happens and play next !!
 
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This happen to all of poker players. The more hands you play against those players, the more you win.
 
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I have been playing for 18+ years and I can tell you from experience as I am a winning player live, that online poker is not legit. I know, I know you just say that because you are losing well let's be honest. I have seen many bad beats and many bad runs as I have had them myself in live poker. BUT it is nothing like online. Now before you say but but but you see more hands online let's just end that BS excuse as 100 hands live is the same as 100 hands online you just see them faster online. It is like saying that 100 lbs of brick weigh more than a 100 lbs of feathers. I have never in my life seen the consistency of bad beats as I have online to the point I get scared when I am given AA or KK or hit 2 pairs on the flop or a straight on the flop. As of this very moment I have not won with AA or KK preflop all-ins in over 2 weeks now! That is almost statistically impossible!
The consistency of the bad beats is the problem, as well as the action deal program they use. In most cases I would say 90% of the time the hand forces you to play like flopping a straight and flush draw with the top pair only to lose to 3 of a kind or 2 pairs, it hardly ever comes, very rare but it is forcing you to play it out because of the outs. This happens way to often for it to be a coincidence or random.
You have to think about it why they would do this. maxing out rake in cash games and to get tourneys over quicker to get people to get into more tourneys. Best of all it is a game of chance so how do you prove it? Also, it is a program so it is a mathematical equation making it not random! I know they pay a site to regulate the game right, well pay me millions and ill tell everyone whatever the hell you want.
In conclusion, there really is no way to prove it and even if you could we are gamblers and think we can beat any system. People do win but it is hard and all luck! It is entertainment!
 
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I agree with u I have this problem too
poker was ruthless sometimes
just do what is right
 
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As someone said above, bad beats are a part of poker. Ive lost with aces or kings against shitty hands ( and most of them on All in) but there is nothing you can do. Sometimes I blame their algorithm, sometimes I blame the odds and that's it. I always say: a kick in the butt its a step forward.
 
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Ive been trying to avoid this lately, I even tried something new today. I typed in the chat that i have an actual hand before i raised the BB all in.
didnt matter, i still got called with his K2, and of course they pulled a full house with that garbage.
 
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Ive been trying to avoid this lately, I even tried something new today. I typed in the chat that i have an actual hand before i raised the BB all in.
didnt matter, i still got called with his K2, and of course they pulled a full house with that garbage.
Lol, when they know - they know.
 
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It happens very often. Do not slow play. and keep in mind that the long statistically the best hand wins against garbage hands
 
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It happens very often. Do not slow play. and keep in mind that the long statistically the best hand wins against garbage hands
Yes, you may get 100 walks on the big blind or folds all around to your raise, which will statistically make it the winning hand against those 20-30 times that you get sucked out and lose your buy-ins. Then maybe a couple of times you will get action that goes your way, so maybe you will get a few of those buy-ins back.
 
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Strategy has to take this into account.
Over a good enough sample size, hopefully your statistical advantage and optimal play will compensate for the losses. If not, may not be the game for you to play, but one good run or cash can make all the baboonery worth it.


Id focus not on specific outcomes, but eliminating mistakes when possible.
Not fun to ponder losses should they occur and you played the correct way.


Last week for me 3 losses occurred amounting to less than a 2% probability.
Needless to say, I play all the hands correctly.
 
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Do not worry, dear friend, you are not the first and not the last in this situation. Better think about the millions that you will spend in the future.
 
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